Anonymous
10/31/2023 10:50
Subject: Theft Targets are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I witnessed a gang clean out the Palisades CVS. Don't pretend this isn't happening.
I don't think people are pretending. I'm not trying to be argumentative. Lots of us don't see this. I've seen people shoplift probably twice in my life. The mob stuff isn't happening everywhere. I have seen teens in one neighborhood vandalize stuff in a store but it was 2 kids.
You are so naive
No pp isn’t. The actual numbers do not support the claims.
Anonymous
10/31/2023 10:20
Subject: Theft Targets are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know why so many of you are obsessed with pretending the criminal class doesn't exist.
They are too emotionally invested in their yard signs and terrified of being called racist if they acknowledge that crime occurs more frequently now than it did a few years ago. I would also point out that if your expectations and tolerances for behavior for the one group of people is different for another group of people - and the defining characteristic of those groups are race - then you are STILL a racist. Because being overly tolerant based on race, is also racism.
If you saw the report on the mentally challenged man who was found in a room in a Metro station, you will see that a fair jumper kept the gate open for the man. It was probably the nicest thing the little s**t ever did.
The city is putting in 8 foot tall fare gates at every station. Fare jumpers will be a thing of the past.
Anonymous
10/31/2023 10:11
Subject: Re:Theft Targets are shutting down
It's interesting to me because I worked in consulting and one of the clients (a large retailer) had expensive real estate and needed to get out of long term leases -- the crime angle was the strongest one considering all of the cost-benefit around shutting down the stores.
When we looked at the data in detail, shrink wasn't necessarily an issue until the company began aggressively staffing loss prevention in the stores they wanted to close (like 15 to 20 times as much was spent on loss prevention compared to the very small amount spent in stores with cheaper leases). Then, the data existed so they could get out of the leases, close the stores and move their business elsewhere cheaper. Rinse and repeat.
What's interesting is the stores actually made money and were net-net profitable. But the contribution to EBITA didn't support keeping them on the books.
My guess, like most things, is that the money is the reason behind this. Not crime or shoplifting, but obviously focusing on shrink you are going to find it.
When we looked at the data in detail, shrink wasn't necessarily an issue until the company began aggressively staffing loss prevention in the stores they wanted to close (like 15 to 20 times as much was spent on loss prevention compared to the very small amount spent in stores with cheaper leases). Then, the data existed so they could get out of the leases, close the stores and move their business elsewhere cheaper. Rinse and repeat.
What's interesting is the stores actually made money and were net-net profitable. But the contribution to EBITA didn't support keeping them on the books.
My guess, like most things, is that the money is the reason behind this. Not crime or shoplifting, but obviously focusing on shrink you are going to find it.
Anonymous
10/31/2023 08:52
Subject: Theft Targets are shutting down
If there is so much shoplifting, why are supermarkets, drugstores, and big box stores all increasing the number of self-checkouts and decreasing the number of registers with cashiers? I now routinely and exclusively use self-checkout at supermarkets, at CVS, at Lowes/Home Depot, at Target. I can't remember the last time I checked out via a regular register with a cashier.
Anonymous
10/31/2023 08:43
Subject: Theft Targets are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I witnessed a gang clean out the Palisades CVS. Don't pretend this isn't happening.
I don't think people are pretending. I'm not trying to be argumentative. Lots of us don't see this. I've seen people shoplift probably twice in my life. The mob stuff isn't happening everywhere. I have seen teens in one neighborhood vandalize stuff in a store but it was 2 kids.
You are so naive
PP either doesn't live in a large city and/or lives a very insulated lifestyle.
Anonymous
10/31/2023 08:33
Subject: Theft Targets are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know why so many of you are obsessed with pretending the criminal class doesn't exist.
That's not the issue. I don't trust the stores and what they are doing to address the issue. I've never shoplifted in my life and yet am regularly treated as a shoplifter. At certain stores I have been followed so aggressively that the employee almost ran in to me. The employees they have dealing with the issue aren't trained and go beyond the pale in how they treat shoppers they target. All of us have heard about these groups who attack stores but how many of us have ever seen them? I've never seen anyone shoplift where I live. I'm not saying it doesn't exist but where I am I think the issue is created by teens and store employees. Any of these stores who don't admit that their employees are a major source of the problem, are liars.
The store's customer service is abysmal. I was at a Lowes recently that must have had some type of all hands on deck meeting because I've never seen so many employees in a store during mid day. There were employees everywhere but when I needed help finding an item, the employees mostly ran if I tried to approach them. I had a lot of items and stood in line in the only register with a checker for a long time. There were people at the self checkouts having problems. I could see groups of employees hanging around and despite the wait and lines, they never opened another register.
It seems as if the stores are determined to be customer unfriendly. There are subreddits and FB pages where people are documenting and sharing their stories of being treated poorly by store staff related to this. Many stores are now randomly asking to review receipts and many store employees do not handle these situations appropriately and it has led to situations in the stores. I'm fed up and am more likely to make a scene.
Oh no you’ll make a scene. We’re all quaking now.
Anonymous
10/31/2023 08:12
Subject: Re:Theft Targets are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Businesses are using “inflation” and “crime” to cover business losses that result from poor decisions and/or opportunistic moves to raise stock or profits. It doesn’t mean that inflation and crime don’t exist but it’s an easier cover.
Target strategically over bought (hoarded) inventory to guard against shortages and higher prices. This resulted in a glut of inventory and forced admission to shareholders about the losses this resulted in stock going down.
we had two years of skyrocketing inflation and rampant crime. What a surprise it affected businesses.
Where is this rampant crime?
Anonymous
10/31/2023 08:09
Subject: Theft Targets are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:I witnessed a gang clean out the Palisades CVS. Don't pretend this isn't happening.
I don't think people are pretending. I'm not trying to be argumentative. Lots of us don't see this. I've seen people shoplift probably twice in my life. The mob stuff isn't happening everywhere. I have seen teens in one neighborhood vandalize stuff in a store but it was 2 kids.
Anonymous
10/31/2023 08:04
Subject: Theft Targets are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:I don't know why so many of you are obsessed with pretending the criminal class doesn't exist.
That's not the issue. I don't trust the stores and what they are doing to address the issue. I've never shoplifted in my life and yet am regularly treated as a shoplifter. At certain stores I have been followed so aggressively that the employee almost ran in to me. The employees they have dealing with the issue aren't trained and go beyond the pale in how they treat shoppers they target. All of us have heard about these groups who attack stores but how many of us have ever seen them? I've never seen anyone shoplift where I live. I'm not saying it doesn't exist but where I am I think the issue is created by teens and store employees. Any of these stores who don't admit that their employees are a major source of the problem, are liars.
The store's customer service is abysmal. I was at a Lowes recently that must have had some type of all hands on deck meeting because I've never seen so many employees in a store during mid day. There were employees everywhere but when I needed help finding an item, the employees mostly ran if I tried to approach them. I had a lot of items and stood in line in the only register with a checker for a long time. There were people at the self checkouts having problems. I could see groups of employees hanging around and despite the wait and lines, they never opened another register.
It seems as if the stores are determined to be customer unfriendly. There are subreddits and FB pages where people are documenting and sharing their stories of being treated poorly by store staff related to this. Many stores are now randomly asking to review receipts and many store employees do not handle these situations appropriately and it has led to situations in the stores. I'm fed up and am more likely to make a scene.
Anonymous
10/30/2023 11:45
Subject: Theft Targets are shutting down
The numbers do not support retail theft, not even from the lobbyist group making the claim!
https://www.marketplace.org/2023/09/11/is-retail-theft-really-rising/
https://www.marketplace.org/2023/09/11/is-retail-theft-really-rising/
Anonymous
10/30/2023 08:16
Subject: Theft Targets are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:In our CVS, they've made everything self check out. Maybe that's part of the problem
These companies don’t want to pay workers, don’t want to pay taxes, want to raise prices, but also want a safe, healthy community that will literally buy their products on the honor system and happily accept those higher prices.
Something has to give, corporate America!
Anonymous
10/30/2023 07:23
Subject: Theft Targets are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know why so many of you are obsessed with pretending the criminal class doesn't exist.
I don't know why you aren't more bothered by executives' crimes, such as wage theft.
Is that why they are closing Targets? The executives can't steal enough wages?
Anonymous
10/30/2023 07:21
Subject: Theft Targets are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:I don't know why so many of you are obsessed with pretending the criminal class doesn't exist.
I don't know why you aren't more bothered by executives' crimes, such as wage theft.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 21:44
Subject: Theft Targets are shutting down
I would be sad if our target closed.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 21:40
Subject: Theft Targets are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know why so many of you are obsessed with pretending the criminal class doesn't exist.
They are too emotionally invested in their yard signs and terrified of being called racist if they acknowledge that crime occurs more frequently now than it did a few years ago. I would also point out that if your expectations and tolerances for behavior for the one group of people is different for another group of people - and the defining characteristic of those groups are race - then you are STILL a racist. Because being overly tolerant based on race, is also racism.
If you saw the report on the mentally challenged man who was found in a room in a Metro station, you will see that a fair jumper kept the gate open for the man. It was probably the nicest thing the little s**t ever did.