Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 12:44     Subject: Re:Job Hopping Candidates
Anonymous wrote:Too many red flags. To me it seems they are chasing the money and will jump for another opportunity after a year. You can try checking references but most will on verify dates of employment due to legal. Believe me I learned my lesson with a similar profile. She jumped ship 6 months later. And believe it or not, she just reached out to me networking bc after being at her current company for 13 months she is looking again. The literal gall.



Companies do not reward good employees with nice raises. Keep your free pizza on Weds., I want a raise. Companies easily find money for CEOs but workers, not so much.

Job hoppers are looking for better! I don’t fault them. You’re a dinosaur.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 12:31     Subject: Job Hopping Candidates
Anonymous wrote:My resume looks a bit like this and it’s because I’m not very good at my job and I leave before they can fire me.


Hahaha
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 10:17     Subject: Job Hopping Candidates
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Job hopping IS the new normal. Younger people recognize that companies won’t look out for them and fire them without notice if needed so they don’t feel any loyalty. I hopped around a bit while finding my footing after college (during the recession). It took a few jobs to find out what I really wanted to do and who I wanted to work for. I’d give them a chance but treat them well and make sure pay stays competitive otherwise they might leave after a year. I’d say they will likely stay longer in their next position because they worry about their resume and short tenures so it might work out.


Agree. But even if you give them opportunities and competitive pay this person will probably tell you in six months that they want a promotion and then leave if they don’t get it by the one year mark. If they are Gen Z they will probably do this while mostly WFH, taking long vacations, asking for the company to fly them across the US for a conference that happens to be in the same location and date as their sister’s wedding, working one hour a day when they have a cold (instead of just taking a sick day…which they will have already used on mental health days where they hike and do laundry) and acting like they are heroic…


I work with 20 something’s they are nothing like this. They get paid around 120k, not exactly crème la crème pay either. You are probably bad at interviewing.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 10:06     Subject: Job Hopping Candidates
Anonymous wrote:Job hopping IS the new normal. Younger people recognize that companies won’t look out for them and fire them without notice if needed so they don’t feel any loyalty. I hopped around a bit while finding my footing after college (during the recession). It took a few jobs to find out what I really wanted to do and who I wanted to work for. I’d give them a chance but treat them well and make sure pay stays competitive otherwise they might leave after a year. I’d say they will likely stay longer in their next position because they worry about their resume and short tenures so it might work out.


Agree. But even if you give them opportunities and competitive pay this person will probably tell you in six months that they want a promotion and then leave if they don’t get it by the one year mark. If they are Gen Z they will probably do this while mostly WFH, taking long vacations, asking for the company to fly them across the US for a conference that happens to be in the same location and date as their sister’s wedding, working one hour a day when they have a cold (instead of just taking a sick day…which they will have already used on mental health days where they hike and do laundry) and acting like they are heroic…
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 04:29     Subject: Job Hopping Candidates
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let me guess-she’s a super attractive young woman in a primarily make dominated field?


Being a woman in finance or tech is generally hard, attractive or not.


This person has an MBA, so she is on the deal making/sales side of any business, so being attractive is a definite plus and many more women participate.



Deal making has combative culture, I would say most women are not attuned to this type of style.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2023 10:14     Subject: Job Hopping Candidates
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nope- I could see one or two short roles over a ten year career but this candidate will leave before they’re even completely productive in my industry.


Same. No way I would hire that person. It takes folks about a year to be 100% self sufficient/comfortable in their roles here and takes supervisors a lot of time and energy to get them there. I am not interested in hiring folks who have a history of job hopping. One short stint, fine. A series of short jobs, no.


+1. I have an ex-employee who job hopped. She was hired right before I was hired for the Director position. She stayed about a year after I started, is on her 5th job since she left in 2019. I don’t know who keeps hiring her because she was very clearly incompetent.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2023 09:30     Subject: Job Hopping Candidates
Anonymous wrote:Nope- I could see one or two short roles over a ten year career but this candidate will leave before they’re even completely productive in my industry.


Same. No way I would hire that person. It takes folks about a year to be 100% self sufficient/comfortable in their roles here and takes supervisors a lot of time and energy to get them there. I am not interested in hiring folks who have a history of job hopping. One short stint, fine. A series of short jobs, no.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2023 08:55     Subject: Job Hopping Candidates
4 job hops in a row with less than 1.5 years of experience is a major red flag (and 3 of them less than a year). The person’s “valid” reasons could be completely made up. Go with your brain, not your instincts. Unless of course you don’t care if this person leaves again in a about a year.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2023 08:47     Subject: Job Hopping Candidates
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let me guess-she’s a super attractive young woman in a primarily make dominated field?


Being a woman in finance or tech is generally hard, attractive or not.


This person has an MBA, so she is on the deal making/sales side of any business, so being attractive is a definite plus and many more women participate.

Anonymous
Post 10/20/2023 08:20     Subject: Job Hopping Candidates
My resume looks a bit like this starting in 2010. It's mostly because I was a government contractor. There were so many small business government contractors that are no longer in existence, or they were bought out. I got caught up in the SAIC and Leidos spin off in 2013. I tried to stay on. It was a mess. There were just spreadsheets with jobs sent out to us that we could apply on our own. No one would be able to find my prior employment records. I have proof through my W2s and tax returns of where I worked. And the last job I had, I was there almost two years when a local recruiter contacted me.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2023 07:59     Subject: Job Hopping Candidates
Anonymous wrote:Job hopping IS the new normal. Younger people recognize that companies won’t look out for them and fire them without notice if needed so they don’t feel any loyalty. I hopped around a bit while finding my footing after college (during the recession). It took a few jobs to find out what I really wanted to do and who I wanted to work for. I’d give them a chance but treat them well and make sure pay stays competitive otherwise they might leave after a year. I’d say they will likely stay longer in their next position because they worry about their resume and short tenures so it might work out.


It’s been normal to job hop a bit after college since the 1990s. People aren’t ready at age 21 to have it all figured out. That’s not new.

But after a two year mba program? You need to have that shit figured out and lock in on a plan. A quality mba candidate should have already worked for at least two years before the mba, interned or worked during the mba, and taken enough courses during the mba to hone their interest. There’s no reason after an mba to be acting like a lost 21 year old with a liberal arts degree.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2023 07:48     Subject: Job Hopping Candidates
Anonymous wrote:Let me guess-she’s a super attractive young woman in a primarily make dominated field?


Being a woman in finance or tech is generally hard, attractive or not.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2023 07:45     Subject: Re:Job Hopping Candidates
Anonymous wrote:Many in the under 35 set will tell you this is the new normal.

Not sure if that's really true, or if that's just a bunch of 28 year olds justifying job hopping, and they're too young for it to have caught up with them.

Even if it is somehow socially acceptable now (not saying it is), it doesn't mean it's good for the employer.

You should assume they will leave within a year. And you should assume they have developed zero skills during their past 4 jobs (because you can't develop skills in 6 months). So how valuable would it be to you to have essentially a straight-out-of-MBA-skill-set who will leave in 6-12 months? If that's more trouble than it's worth, don't bother interviewing.

I also agree, anyone can schmooze their way through an interview on this question and it's meaningless what they tell you. The kind of person who job hops successfully every 6 months is the kind of person who would actually be really good at BS'ing in an interview.


It is definitely the new normal. The primary driver for this is the way new types of business operate: capital investment light, human heavy, short cash burn period to profit.

If you think about it, a factory will require new buildings new machinery and workers trained to do the job efficiently. Those machines cost 5-50mm and it will take 1-3 years to start making profit.

A data company operating for Amazon sellers will require no machinery, but a few remote workers, lay out the development on 6m -1 year and start making profit of die off.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2023 06:58     Subject: Job Hopping Candidates
If you work on IT, especially cyber- people leave jobs frequently for more money.

Like I hired someone who has been at 3 places con four years and each place he got a 25-50k signing bonus to start
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2023 00:52     Subject: Job Hopping Candidates
Anonymous wrote:Let me guess-she’s a super attractive young woman in a primarily make dominated field?


MALE dominated haha