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Anonymous wrote:Ohh come on - your major doesn't matter.

Learn something, anything, and hopefully college develops our kids' minds and helps them be flexible and new thinkers.

How many of you are working in the field related to your college major? Not me....

I would say if you are considering pre-med and medical school...perhaps you need to think again as current freshmen will essentially become doctors in 10 years.

I don't follow your point - sorry to be dense -- does AI impact pre-med path?

Random example: AI can review images and find cancer in a tiny faction of the time as human radiologists. And with far better accuracy.

So future radiologists who would primarily work behind the scenes reviewing images will be out of work. There will always be a need for human review and contact with patients, but even that will be less time consuming as AI finds more patterns and the process becomes even more simplified (and accurate) leaving less room for human discretion.

So society will still need some human radiologists. But not as many. Now multiply that across specialties and you’ll see how much the medical profession will be transformed in the next 5-10 years.

I assume you are not a radiologist nor work in AI specific radiology technology directly to make this statement. There has been some information/research regarding this, but for those entrenched in AI for radiology, this isn't a true statement. AI will have impact and serve as a relevant tool, for certain, but it will affect other medical fields before it touches radiology in the significant way you had stated. This specialty is not going away anytime soon.

But won't AI reduce the need for the number of radiologists on staff? Intuitively, would you not have AI just perform the first determination and then you have one (or two or three) human that needs to confirm all the diagnoses? I would think you could significantly increase the productivity of each radiologist to the point that you need fewer.

Just curious what we are missing in this reasoning.

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Anonymous wrote:If AI would take over doctor jobs, what would happen to all other lawyers, accountant, bankers? I think doctors will be the least impacted.

Everyone will be impacted. All of those professions will continue to exist. But we will need fewer people to perform the current work. Where we once had a team of three accountants working on a complex matter, we might only need one.

What will happen to the other two accountants? They will have to level up their skills and value to meet a higher level need. If they can’t, they will need to transition to something else. Because clients will not continue to pay that labor cost once AI can generate the same value more quickly and in a more cost-effective manner.

You have a point but . . . A team of three accountants never did anything. For an audit of a big global company, an audit firm would have over a thousand accountants working on it. Sometimes way more. Might you eliminate a lot of that -- yes. Lets say you need 250 less people. So yes less jobs but most still there.

As for accountants, it will never be the case for public accounting work that one accountant can sign off on anything. It will always be a team. AI cannot do away with government regulations. And those will not change.

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Anonymous wrote:Ohh come on - your major doesn't matter.

Learn something, anything, and hopefully college develops our kids' minds and helps them be flexible and new thinkers.

How many of you are working in the field related to your college major? Not me....

I would say if you are considering pre-med and medical school...perhaps you need to think again as current freshmen will essentially become doctors in 10 years.

I don't follow your point - sorry to be dense -- does AI impact pre-med path?

Random example: AI can review images and find cancer in a tiny faction of the time as human radiologists. And with far better accuracy.

So future radiologists who would primarily work behind the scenes reviewing images will be out of work. There will always be a need for human review and contact with patients, but even that will be less time consuming as AI finds more patterns and the process becomes even more simplified (and accurate) leaving less room for human discretion.

So society will still need some human radiologists. But not as many. Now multiply that across specialties and you’ll see how much the medical profession will be transformed in the next 5-10 years.

I assume you are not a radiologist nor work in AI specific radiology technology directly to make this statement. There has been some information/research regarding this, but for those entrenched in AI for radiology, this isn't a true statement. AI will have impact and serve as a relevant tool, for certain, but it will affect other medical fields before it touches radiology in the significant way you had stated. This specialty is not going away anytime soon.

Of course the entire specialty is not going away. There will always be a need for human radiologists.

But do you agree that in 5 years some human job functions will be eliminated because AI will be able to get equal (or better) results on that particular task in either less time or with less cost?

Not PP but no I do not agree with the statement. I think there will be some job loss but not eliminations of entire jobs. And when it comes to doctors -- we have such a shortage at the moment, if AI cut 25% of jobs we would still be short doctors.

Anonymous wrote:From the WSJ AI Conference:

Earlier Tuesday, Vinod Khosla, a prominent venture capitalist whose firm was one of OpenAI’s earliest backers, laid out a stark timeline for AI’s transformation of work. Within 10 years AI will be able to “do 80% of 80% of all jobs that we know of today,” said Khosla, a tech investor and entrepreneur for more than 40 years.

He pointed to many types of physicians and accountants as examples of professions that AI could largely supplant because these systems can more easily access a broad array of knowledge. Khosla likened the extent of the workforce changes to the disappearance of agricultural jobs in the U.S. in the 20th Century—a transition that took place over generations, not years.

I think this is silly. At best AI will be a tool for others to use. I do see some job loss at the lower end -- but that is what I see -- job loss not job elimination. Using law -- it may be that you can use less associates. But partners will still be in demand. Problem is law firm model really makes money based on lots of associates. I think you will see big firms set up low cost AI shops as subs with few or no partners but try to keep their model for the bet the company cases.

Accountants cannot really be replaced at the top. There is so much judgment like lawyers. Same with doctors. AI can help with figuring out what the issue may be -- so I think a tool but treatment is not black and white except on the low urgent care end.

When cost of a product goes down, demand goes up.

It's good that radiologists can process scans more quickly. We need more scans.

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Anonymous wrote:Ohh come on - your major doesn't matter.

Learn something, anything, and hopefully college develops our kids' minds and helps them be flexible and new thinkers.

How many of you are working in the field related to your college major? Not me....

I would say if you are considering pre-med and medical school...perhaps you need to think again as current freshmen will essentially become doctors in 10 years.

I don't follow your point - sorry to be dense -- does AI impact pre-med path?

Random example: AI can review images and find cancer in a tiny faction of the time as human radiologists. And with far better accuracy.

So future radiologists who would primarily work behind the scenes reviewing images will be out of work. There will always be a need for human review and contact with patients, but even that will be less time consuming as AI finds more patterns and the process becomes even more simplified (and accurate) leaving less room for human discretion.

So society will still need some human radiologists. But not as many. Now multiply that across specialties and you’ll see how much the medical profession will be transformed in the next 5-10 years.

I assume you are not a radiologist nor work in AI specific radiology technology directly to make this statement. There has been some information/research regarding this, but for those entrenched in AI for radiology, this isn't a true statement. AI will have impact and serve as a relevant tool, for certain, but it will affect other medical fields before it touches radiology in the significant way you had stated. This specialty is not going away anytime soon.

Of course the entire specialty is not going away. There will always be a need for human radiologists.

But do you agree that in 5 years some human job functions will be eliminated because AI will be able to get equal (or better) results on that particular task in either less time or with less cost?

Anonymous wrote:If AI would take over doctor jobs, what would happen to all other lawyers, accountant, bankers? I think doctors will be the least impacted.

Everyone will be impacted. All of those professions will continue to exist. But we will need fewer people to perform the current work. Where we once had a team of three accountants working on a complex matter, we might only need one.

What will happen to the other two accountants? They will have to level up their skills and value to meet a higher level need. If they can’t, they will need to transition to something else. Because clients will not continue to pay that labor cost once AI can generate the same value more quickly and in a more cost-effective manner.

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately AIs are tools. So it's not so much that the job goes away but that one individual can do more by using these tools. Lower skill, repetitive jobs will be reduced most. For others it changes what you can do. And of course you need people to build the tools.

For the anesthesiologist example I could envision that in future you still need them but perhaps one can monitor multiple surgeries at once using these tools but maybe there is a new role for anesthesiologist tech in each room.

It's this. These jobs, largely, will not go away. They will change.
And lbh, who here wants your anesthesiologist, or other medical, duties to be performed by tech w/ no human oversight and interaction. Part of medicine, dental, PT, etc. is the human aspect. They're not all good at it, sure, but it's part of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Ohh come on - your major doesn't matter.

Learn something, anything, and hopefully college develops our kids' minds and helps them be flexible and new thinkers.

How many of you are working in the field related to your college major? Not me....

I would say if you are considering pre-med and medical school...perhaps you need to think again as current freshmen will essentially become doctors in 10 years.

I don't follow your point - sorry to be dense -- does AI impact pre-med path?

Random example: AI can review images and find cancer in a tiny faction of the time as human radiologists. And with far better accuracy.

So future radiologists who would primarily work behind the scenes reviewing images will be out of work. There will always be a need for human review and contact with patients, but even that will be less time consuming as AI finds more patterns and the process becomes even more simplified (and accurate) leaving less room for human discretion.

So society will still need some human radiologists. But not as many. Now multiply that across specialties and you’ll see how much the medical profession will be transformed in the next 5-10 years.

I assume you are not a radiologist nor work in AI specific radiology technology directly to make this statement. There has been some information/research regarding this, but for those entrenched in AI for radiology, this isn't a true statement. AI will have impact and serve as a relevant tool, for certain, but it will affect other medical fields before it touches radiology in the significant way you had stated. This specialty is not going away anytime soon.

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Anonymous wrote:From the WSJ AI Conference:

Earlier Tuesday, Vinod Khosla, a prominent venture capitalist whose firm was one of OpenAI’s earliest backers, laid out a stark timeline for AI’s transformation of work. Within 10 years AI will be able to “do 80% of 80% of all jobs that we know of today,” said Khosla, a tech investor and entrepreneur for more than 40 years.

He pointed to many types of physicians and accountants as examples of professions that AI could largely supplant because these systems can more easily access a broad array of knowledge. Khosla likened the extent of the workforce changes to the disappearance of agricultural jobs in the U.S. in the 20th Century—a transition that took place over generations, not years.

Would it reduce the need for anesthesiologists?

I would like to know as well since my niece became one 3 years ago.

I would absolutely think it will since their work can be automated, although anyone involved with an actual operation is likely a bit more secure for the time being.

Radiologists, clinicians, general physicians, etc. anyone not involved in surgery will be impacted first, but eventually even more precise AI-powered machines could replace human doctors in the operating room. It won't replace them all, but where you might now hire 10, you will now only need 3 to have a human at the "controls" to step in if needed.

My wife is a radiologist and works extensively in AI. She has helped create some tools and more will be available in the future, but she does not think it will ever replace or come close to actually replacing a radiologist in the next 10 years. Their skill set is too nuance.

Yes, some human radiologists will always be necessary because of the nuances. But many aspects of the job are not nuanced. They’re “commodity” work that can be delegated to AI. Which will create lower demand for human radiologists overall - only those who are exceptional at the nuanced, non-commodity pieces.

The sage is true of all professions. In law, AI now does a lot of the routinized, commodity work we used to hire contract lawyers” to perform. Are there still human lawyers? Of course. But that lawyer function is no longer needed. So current lawyers who would have performed that function five years ago either need to adapt and find another market need to fill, or they will be out of a job.

And to state the obvious, the overall need for lawyers is not infinite. There’s no reason to think that as AI takes away the commodity roles, it will create new roles for those lawyers instead. In the transition, I think it’s likely there will be an over-supply problem in many professions, until the market adjusts and supply drops to match the lower demand for human labor.

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Anonymous wrote:Ohh come on - your major doesn't matter.

Learn something, anything, and hopefully college develops our kids' minds and helps them be flexible and new thinkers.

How many of you are working in the field related to your college major? Not me....

I would say if you are considering pre-med and medical school...perhaps you need to think again as current freshmen will essentially become doctors in 10 years.

I don't follow your point - sorry to be dense -- does AI impact pre-med path?

Random example: AI can review images and find cancer in a tiny faction of the time as human radiologists. And with far better accuracy.

So future radiologists who would primarily work behind the scenes reviewing images will be out of work. There will always be a need for human review and contact with patients, but even that will be less time consuming as AI finds more patterns and the process becomes even more simplified (and accurate) leaving less room for human discretion.

So society will still need some human radiologists. But not as many. Now multiply that across specialties and you’ll see how much the medical profession will be transformed in the next 5-10 years.

Anonymous wrote:Physical Therapy & Psychology will be like CS is now in 10 years

So true. Also Psychiatry will NEVER be taken over by AI. Can you imagine AI dealing with someone who has anxiety or someone in a manic episode. There is also no algorithm for that.

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Anonymous wrote:From the WSJ AI Conference:

Earlier Tuesday, Vinod Khosla, a prominent venture capitalist whose firm was one of OpenAI’s earliest backers, laid out a stark timeline for AI’s transformation of work. Within 10 years AI will be able to “do 80% of 80% of all jobs that we know of today,” said Khosla, a tech investor and entrepreneur for more than 40 years.

He pointed to many types of physicians and accountants as examples of professions that AI could largely supplant because these systems can more easily access a broad array of knowledge. Khosla likened the extent of the workforce changes to the disappearance of agricultural jobs in the U.S. in the 20th Century—a transition that took place over generations, not years.

Would it reduce the need for anesthesiologists?

I would like to know as well since my niece became one 3 years ago.

I would absolutely think it will since their work can be automated, although anyone involved with an actual operation is likely a bit more secure for the time being.

Radiologists, clinicians, general physicians, etc. anyone not involved in surgery will be impacted first, but eventually even more precise AI-powered machines could replace human doctors in the operating room. It won't replace them all, but where you might now hire 10, you will now only need 3 to have a human at the "controls" to step in if needed.

My wife is a radiologist and works extensively in AI. She has helped create some tools and more will be available in the future, but she does not think it will ever replace or come close to actually replacing a radiologist in the next 10 years. Their skill set is too nuance.

Physical Therapy & Psychology will be like CS is now in 10 years

Anonymous wrote:Yes, AI will eventually replace some jobs, but don’t worry we’ll think of new jobs!

I mean 50 years ago so many jobs weren’t even a thing… YouTuber, application user interface designer, various types of coders…

Personal fitness trainer
Personal shopper
Yoga studio owner
Pickleball court manufacturer…the list goes on…