Anonymous
10/30/2023 10:36
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Crime? Can you cite which crime is being committed?
If you are oblivious to human suffering then there is nothing to discuss.
You need to learn to read.
There is nothing criminal about protesting in the US. Hell, we suspended Covid protocols for the summer of love.
This is a really dumb comment. No protocols were suspended. The difference was that the protests were outside and didn't involve having people packed together indoors in a poorly ventilated space like a classroom. Can we please put a stake in this and every other dumb right wing comment that outlasted any worth long ago?
And yet playgrounds, school outdoor basketball courts and golf courses were closed because, you know covid. But millions of people packed cheek-to-jowl screaming at mostly peaceful protest were ok.
Stop trying to rewrite history.
+100
And the excuses that "This is dIfFeReNt!!" were just sickening.
+1000
Anonymous
10/30/2023 10:24
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, I am absolutely worried about being doxxed if I attended a rally in support of Israel. I’m frankly gobsmacked at the level of antisemitism that has been displayed right here in DC and in NYC these last couple weeks, and I think every Jew in America now has very good reason to fear for their safety.
I agree 100%. I was shocked to see the images shown on the GWU library a few days ago. Honestly had no idea that we lived amongst so many vile people.
+1 I work with and love the children I teach, but now that the masks are coming off, I wonder now how many parents would hate me if they learned I was a Jew.
I’m starting to wonder that too. I look at my friends and wonder what they think of me.
Anonymous
10/30/2023 10:22
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's ultimately really stupid to bring this issue up on social media or attend a rally for either side. You inevitably say something that is interpreted as offensive by someone and the easiest course of action your employer can take is to fire you. Know someone who went through law school then lost their first job posting about a Hamas terror attack
This is true. People are waking up to the fact that they can’t really change anything but can easily get fired
Well also, activists eat their own. Before 2020, I was a progressive liberal. Then I heard a series of messages about how I am intrinsically and irreversibly evil because I'm a white lady. I'm not progressive anymore. I think I'm still liberal in the classic sense of the word. But I'm not into the Sartre garbage that the west must participate in its own demise in order to reverse colonialism. No thank you.
I underwent a similar transition after 2020. I really don’t know what I am now.
I’m still a liberal, a Democrat, a white male, a strong believer in unions, women’s rights, and that people of color have got the short (often violent) end of the stick in this country since the beginning.
I’m also a strong supporter of Israel and its right to end Hamas, including the assault on Gaza. Hamas is willing to sacrifice every Gazan civilian if it would mean the end of Israel and Jewish people. And I feel horribly for the children of Gaza - I want nothing more for them to be taken out of that strip of land and protected.
I love how Rep. Richie Torres of the Bronx has been addressing his support for Israel. He’s been steadfast, clear eyed, and so forceful. It’s so important for Gentiles - especially a man of color representing the Bronx! - to show that kind of support.
If Hamas got a hold of any one of us - white, black, Asian, Hispanic, gay, straight, Christian, Hindu, Jewish, man, or woman - they would torture and murder us for being an American. Especially true if they suspect you of being LGBTQ. These terrorists are pure sadists out of your worst nightmares. Once they are done with Israel, they will next aim at Americans and Europeans.
They want theocratic slavery.
I no longer consider myself a progressive or a liberal. I never called myself a liberal anyway, because the word always had a tinge of insult to it from the way conservatives sneered it. Regardless, starting in the fall of 2020 I began to have my doubts. Doubts which had been heavily reinforced in me that whole summer where I observed, as did you, that many people believed I was inherently and irredeemably racist because I was white. Add that in to what I perceived as glaring inconsistencies in behavior with regards to the early covid protocols , and I guess that was the coup de gras for my identifying as a progressive.
As I said, I don’t know what I am now. I haven’t changed. But I feel like a lot of other people I thought I identified with, did.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 22:51
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, I am absolutely worried about being doxxed if I attended a rally in support of Israel. I’m frankly gobsmacked at the level of antisemitism that has been displayed right here in DC and in NYC these last couple weeks, and I think every Jew in America now has very good reason to fear for their safety.
I agree 100%. I was shocked to see the images shown on the GWU library a few days ago. Honestly had no idea that we lived amongst so many vile people.
+1 I work with and love the children I teach, but now that the masks are coming off, I wonder now how many parents would hate me if they learned I was a Jew.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 22:46
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
If we put up barriers to peaceful disagreement, all we are left with is the unpeaceful.
Some people have asked why Gaza hasn't gone down the path of South Africa. One obvious reason is that boycott and divestment, the main tool to end Apartheid in South Africa, has been taken off the table by states. 27 states, representing 78% of the population, have laws making it impossible to do business with them if they support boycott or divestment. And when it comes to Wall Street, it means practically no mutual funds can afford to do it.
If you punish people for doing the things we take for granted in the American Civil Rights movement, and you punish people for doing things that worked in ending South African Apartheid, what's left?
Some people have asked why Gaza hasn't gone down the path of South Africa. One obvious reason is that boycott and divestment, the main tool to end Apartheid in South Africa, has been taken off the table by states. 27 states, representing 78% of the population, have laws making it impossible to do business with them if they support boycott or divestment. And when it comes to Wall Street, it means practically no mutual funds can afford to do it.
If you punish people for doing the things we take for granted in the American Civil Rights movement, and you punish people for doing things that worked in ending South African Apartheid, what's left?
Anonymous
10/29/2023 22:34
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Crime? Can you cite which crime is being committed?
If you are oblivious to human suffering then there is nothing to discuss.
You need to learn to read.
There is nothing criminal about protesting in the US. Hell, we suspended Covid protocols for the summer of love.
This is a really dumb comment. No protocols were suspended. The difference was that the protests were outside and didn't involve having people packed together indoors in a poorly ventilated space like a classroom. Can we please put a stake in this and every other dumb right wing comment that outlasted any worth long ago?
And yet playgrounds, school outdoor basketball courts and golf courses were closed because, you know covid. But millions of people packed cheek-to-jowl screaming at mostly peaceful protest were ok.
Stop trying to rewrite history.
+100
And the excuses that "This is dIfFeReNt!!" were just sickening.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 22:13
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Crime? Can you cite which crime is being committed?
If you are oblivious to human suffering then there is nothing to discuss.
You need to learn to read.
There is nothing criminal about protesting in the US. Hell, we suspended Covid protocols for the summer of love.
This is a really dumb comment. No protocols were suspended. The difference was that the protests were outside and didn't involve having people packed together indoors in a poorly ventilated space like a classroom. Can we please put a stake in this and every other dumb right wing comment that outlasted any worth long ago?
And yet playgrounds, school outdoor basketball courts and golf courses were closed because, you know covid. But millions of people packed cheek-to-jowl screaming at mostly peaceful protest were ok.
Stop trying to rewrite history.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 22:01
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
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You are not wrong. But at the same time, I am proud that she is taking a stand. She is calling for a ceasefire. She was taken to the protest by her roommate who is Jewish (but not Israeli). There could be long term consequences for her and we have talked about it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not a crime, OP has that wrong. It's about billionaires taking umbrage at your position and doxing you so you can't get a job later.
My daughter is in college and protesting. She knows full well the consequences and has chosen to speak up anyway. She is worried her job offer could be rescinded and she is not wrong to worry. However, it is what it is and if she feels strongly enough about this, she has to be willing to deal. She is still enormously lucky that while she might have real world consequences, they are relatively mild in the grand scheme of things. Nobody is imprisoning her. Nobody is beating her up.
Just wait until she has mouths to feed and bills to pay.
You are not wrong. But at the same time, I am proud that she is taking a stand. She is calling for a ceasefire. She was taken to the protest by her roommate who is Jewish (but not Israeli). There could be long term consequences for her and we have talked about it.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 21:56
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not a crime, OP has that wrong. It's about billionaires taking umbrage at your position and doxing you so you can't get a job later.
My daughter is in college and protesting. She knows full well the consequences and has chosen to speak up anyway. She is worried her job offer could be rescinded and she is not wrong to worry. However, it is what it is and if she feels strongly enough about this, she has to be willing to deal. She is still enormously lucky that while she might have real world consequences, they are relatively mild in the grand scheme of things. Nobody is imprisoning her. Nobody is beating her up.
Just wait until she has mouths to feed and bills to pay.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 21:42
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, I am absolutely worried about being doxxed if I attended a rally in support of Israel. I’m frankly gobsmacked at the level of antisemitism that has been displayed right here in DC and in NYC these last couple weeks, and I think every Jew in America now has very good reason to fear for their safety.
People can speak out against what Israel is doing without it being antisemitism. People can speak out against what Hamas is doing without it being Islamophobia.
I’m an atheist, and I can see the religious angle is making it impossible to discuss the misdeeds of Israel and Hamas. There are complex, multi-faceted problems at play over there, and they can’t be solved with rockets and missiles. Going to 100 over it because of religious beliefs is going to lead to more deaths of Palestinians and Israelis.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 21:13
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's ultimately really stupid to bring this issue up on social media or attend a rally for either side. You inevitably say something that is interpreted as offensive by someone and the easiest course of action your employer can take is to fire you. Know someone who went through law school then lost their first job posting about a Hamas terror attack
This is true. People are waking up to the fact that they can’t really change anything but can easily get fired
Well also, activists eat their own. Before 2020, I was a progressive liberal. Then I heard a series of messages about how I am intrinsically and irreversibly evil because I'm a white lady. I'm not progressive anymore. I think I'm still liberal in the classic sense of the word. But I'm not into the Sartre garbage that the west must participate in its own demise in order to reverse colonialism. No thank you.
I underwent a similar transition after 2020. I really don’t know what I am now.
I’m still a liberal, a Democrat, a white male, a strong believer in unions, women’s rights, and that people of color have got the short (often violent) end of the stick in this country since the beginning.
I’m also a strong supporter of Israel and its right to end Hamas, including the assault on Gaza. Hamas is willing to sacrifice every Gazan civilian if it would mean the end of Israel and Jewish people. And I feel horribly for the children of Gaza - I want nothing more for them to be taken out of that strip of land and protected.
I love how Rep. Richie Torres of the Bronx has been addressing his support for Israel. He’s been steadfast, clear eyed, and so forceful. It’s so important for Gentiles - especially a man of color representing the Bronx! - to show that kind of support.
If Hamas got a hold of any one of us - white, black, Asian, Hispanic, gay, straight, Christian, Hindu, Jewish, man, or woman - they would torture and murder us for being an American. Especially true if they suspect you of being LGBTQ. These terrorists are pure sadists out of your worst nightmares. Once they are done with Israel, they will next aim at Americans and Europeans.
They want theocratic slavery.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 21:04
Subject: Re:Why activism is considered a no no now?
I think smashed storefronts, CHOP, shouting over people
True activists are like my mom... they follow their deep beliefs, not trends, and try to do good in the world. Usually quietly. If they do protest that put on their best clothes to meet and advocate, get permits for protests and are generally polite and dogged. They aslo protest the institution or policy or politicians, not focus their ire on groups of people by race, nationality etc.
True activists are like my mom... they follow their deep beliefs, not trends, and try to do good in the world. Usually quietly. If they do protest that put on their best clothes to meet and advocate, get permits for protests and are generally polite and dogged. They aslo protest the institution or policy or politicians, not focus their ire on groups of people by race, nationality etc.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 21:01
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
When I see an "activist" applying for a job, the first thing I think of is misogynist. The hate for women is real. I think anti-semite, which totally is not working in my profession. I think terrible judgement. People rooting for Hamas while others are burying their dead. I think drama over everything and very little if it makes sense.
Who wants that noise?
Who wants that noise?
Anonymous
10/29/2023 20:07
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Crime? Can you cite which crime is being committed?
If you are oblivious to human suffering then there is nothing to discuss.
You need to learn to read.
There is nothing criminal about protesting in the US. Hell, we suspended Covid protocols for the summer of love.
This is a really dumb comment. No protocols were suspended. The difference was that the protests were outside and didn't involve having people packed together indoors in a poorly ventilated space like a classroom. Can we please put a stake in this and every other dumb right wing comment that outlasted any worth long ago?
Sorry, no. Your memory is inaccurate.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 19:57
Subject: Why activism is considered a no no now?
Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, I am absolutely worried about being doxxed if I attended a rally in support of Israel. I’m frankly gobsmacked at the level of antisemitism that has been displayed right here in DC and in NYC these last couple weeks, and I think every Jew in America now has very good reason to fear for their safety.
I agree 100%. I was shocked to see the images shown on the GWU library a few days ago. Honestly had no idea that we lived amongst so many vile people.