Anonymous
10/19/2023 18:50
Subject: Re:Operation Trident Results in 48 Arrests
Jump into the data here
I still remember Graves telling an ANC on a Zoom meeting that his office did not track those numbers, lol. Hiding them at all costs, he knows how they look. Almost as good was the time at a Bowser public safety event that he opined that people in HIS neighborhood [spoiler, upper NW] feel safe.
I still remember Graves telling an ANC on a Zoom meeting that his office did not track those numbers, lol. Hiding them at all costs, he knows how they look. Almost as good was the time at a Bowser public safety event that he opined that people in HIS neighborhood [spoiler, upper NW] feel safe.
Anonymous
10/19/2023 18:45
Subject: Re:Operation Trident Results in 48 Arrests
Even after being called up to the Hill for a scolding and demand that DC USAO data be released, the no paper rate, rising over several presidential administrations, since 2017, is still an outrageous 56%, down from 67%.
Notably, when the USA removed all prosecutorial discretion in a pilot project in Chinatown, the prosecution rate rose sharply, all other factors commonly cited as problematic remaining unchanged. This was documented in the WP and suggests what at least one driver may be.
The current number is still shocking and an outlier among major cities. Remember, the USAO is a federal appointee and works for DOJ as do staff prosecutors. That office prosecutes crimes committed by adults and by some juveniles.
The DC AG is elected and prosecutes most juvenile crime.
Not sure what next steps will be. Bowser and the Council were aware since at least 2018 that the majority of arrests, including gun crimes and felonies were not being prosecuted. They did nothing to bring public or Congressional attention to this issue. There will likely be additional Congressional Oversight hearings.
Notably, when the USA removed all prosecutorial discretion in a pilot project in Chinatown, the prosecution rate rose sharply, all other factors commonly cited as problematic remaining unchanged. This was documented in the WP and suggests what at least one driver may be.
The current number is still shocking and an outlier among major cities. Remember, the USAO is a federal appointee and works for DOJ as do staff prosecutors. That office prosecutes crimes committed by adults and by some juveniles.
The DC AG is elected and prosecutes most juvenile crime.
Not sure what next steps will be. Bowser and the Council were aware since at least 2018 that the majority of arrests, including gun crimes and felonies were not being prosecuted. They did nothing to bring public or Congressional attention to this issue. There will likely be additional Congressional Oversight hearings.
Anonymous
10/19/2023 18:38
Subject: Operation Trident Results in 48 Arrests
Why don’t they have a full time group who are tasked with arresting bail jumpers and people with outstanding warrants? Typically in most jurisdictions this is the Sheriff’s Office. The USG agency equivalent are the US Marshall’s. Why doesn’t DC just allocate funds for a MPD unit that does this? I just don’t get why they are incapable of doing this on their own without federal resources.
Anonymous
10/19/2023 18:33
Subject: Operation Trident Results in 48 Arrests
Anonymous wrote:My guess is you have less than 100-200 people causing mayhem repeatedly. Maybe they enjoy it like a game. Whatever the case may be, they need to be dealt with harshly.
Say what you will about the alleged disparate impact on certain groups of “broken windows” policing, the thesis that the same people committing serious crimes also tended to commit frequent small crimes proved to be true. When they locked people up for fare evasion, vandalism, open warrants for failure to appear, shoplifting and the like serious crime went down sharply.
Anonymous
10/06/2023 15:46
Subject: Operation Trident Results in 48 Arrests
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is a such a "guns on the table" PR stunt chasing low hanging fruit.
Better than nothing but means zero as far as day-to-day public safety.
From MPD: “Of the 48 arrests, there were 96 total charges, 72 of these charges were warrants closed and 24 were additional charges. Of the warrants, 19 were for Failure to Appear, 33 Bench Warrants, nine Fugitive from Justice, two Federal Warrants, seven Parole Violations, two Probation Violations, and three Firearm Recoveries. Some arrestees were charged with multiple counts for active warrants”
There’s actually only three guns on the table.
It only takes one to end a life.
Anonymous
10/06/2023 11:53
Subject: Operation Trident Results in 48 Arrests
Anonymous wrote:My guess is you have less than 100-200 people causing mayhem repeatedly. Maybe they enjoy it like a game. Whatever the case may be, they need to be dealt with harshly.
Recidivism is the key here.
Recidivists need to be imprisoned- preferably at least 50 miles from DC - to both protect DC and to reduce the likelihood of re-commission.
Anonymous
10/06/2023 11:44
Subject: Operation Trident Results in 48 Arrests
Anonymous wrote:This is a such a "guns on the table" PR stunt chasing low hanging fruit.
Better than nothing but means zero as far as day-to-day public safety.
From MPD: “Of the 48 arrests, there were 96 total charges, 72 of these charges were warrants closed and 24 were additional charges. Of the warrants, 19 were for Failure to Appear, 33 Bench Warrants, nine Fugitive from Justice, two Federal Warrants, seven Parole Violations, two Probation Violations, and three Firearm Recoveries. Some arrestees were charged with multiple counts for active warrants”
There’s actually only three guns on the table.
jsteele
10/06/2023 11:21
Subject: Operation Trident Results in 48 Arrests
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Don’t be fooled. Arrest means nothing.
Appropriate jail time means something.
Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) once had the answer, back when he was the mayor of Richmond. He pioneered Project Exile, the key feature being:
- federal incarceration at a prison at least 50 miles from the convict’s residence.
The 50+ miles is crucial. Recidivism under Senator Kaine’s program dropped to single digits. And lowering recidivism is the key to breaking the crime cycle we are stuck in.
The 50+ Mike provision was so effective because our current model jails convicts close to home, where they know some or many of their fellow inmates, and their family/girlfriends are very close by.
This 50+ mile factor may not seem significant to you. But you do not live in the same world as these convicts. Do not delude yourself; they seriously live in a mindset you cannot comprehend.
Sadly, Senator Kaine was attacked - from within his own party - over Project Exile with the false but all too common accusation it was “racist.”
Tim Kaine needs to revisit his earlier success and champion the program nation wide as a way to rescue our crime-plagued cities. The current “no incarceration” program is clearly not working, and innocent people are dying.
I've heard that DC tried this, in order to break up the gangs and families of criminals. It was successful but likened to other programs designed to break up families such as the residential schools for Indian children and was cancelled.
Breaking the cycle of generational poverty and generational crime is akin to cultural genocide.
Other than the DC jail, DC has no local prisons. After Lorton was closed, prisoners have been sent all over the country.
Who? What prisoners? People are no-papered or released for any and every crime.
Hyperbole is really not the best way to engage in serious discussion. Of course offenders are being sent to prison. If not, you wouldn't be able to complain about Charles Allen letting them out early.
Keep posting through it, Jeff. You're doing great. Your DC Justice Lab friends will be here soon enough.
This is doing nothing to dispel perceptions of your ignorance.
Anonymous
10/06/2023 11:12
Subject: Operation Trident Results in 48 Arrests
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Don’t be fooled. Arrest means nothing.
Appropriate jail time means something.
Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) once had the answer, back when he was the mayor of Richmond. He pioneered Project Exile, the key feature being:
- federal incarceration at a prison at least 50 miles from the convict’s residence.
The 50+ miles is crucial. Recidivism under Senator Kaine’s program dropped to single digits. And lowering recidivism is the key to breaking the crime cycle we are stuck in.
The 50+ Mike provision was so effective because our current model jails convicts close to home, where they know some or many of their fellow inmates, and their family/girlfriends are very close by.
This 50+ mile factor may not seem significant to you. But you do not live in the same world as these convicts. Do not delude yourself; they seriously live in a mindset you cannot comprehend.
Sadly, Senator Kaine was attacked - from within his own party - over Project Exile with the false but all too common accusation it was “racist.”
Tim Kaine needs to revisit his earlier success and champion the program nation wide as a way to rescue our crime-plagued cities. The current “no incarceration” program is clearly not working, and innocent people are dying.
I've heard that DC tried this, in order to break up the gangs and families of criminals. It was successful but likened to other programs designed to break up families such as the residential schools for Indian children and was cancelled.
Breaking the cycle of generational poverty and generational crime is akin to cultural genocide.
Other than the DC jail, DC has no local prisons. After Lorton was closed, prisoners have been sent all over the country.
Who? What prisoners? People are no-papered or released for any and every crime.
Hyperbole is really not the best way to engage in serious discussion. Of course offenders are being sent to prison. If not, you wouldn't be able to complain about Charles Allen letting them out early.
Keep posting through it, Jeff. You're doing great. Your DC Justice Lab friends will be here soon enough.
jsteele
10/06/2023 10:29
Subject: Operation Trident Results in 48 Arrests
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Don’t be fooled. Arrest means nothing.
Appropriate jail time means something.
Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) once had the answer, back when he was the mayor of Richmond. He pioneered Project Exile, the key feature being:
- federal incarceration at a prison at least 50 miles from the convict’s residence.
The 50+ miles is crucial. Recidivism under Senator Kaine’s program dropped to single digits. And lowering recidivism is the key to breaking the crime cycle we are stuck in.
The 50+ Mike provision was so effective because our current model jails convicts close to home, where they know some or many of their fellow inmates, and their family/girlfriends are very close by.
This 50+ mile factor may not seem significant to you. But you do not live in the same world as these convicts. Do not delude yourself; they seriously live in a mindset you cannot comprehend.
Sadly, Senator Kaine was attacked - from within his own party - over Project Exile with the false but all too common accusation it was “racist.”
Tim Kaine needs to revisit his earlier success and champion the program nation wide as a way to rescue our crime-plagued cities. The current “no incarceration” program is clearly not working, and innocent people are dying.
I've heard that DC tried this, in order to break up the gangs and families of criminals. It was successful but likened to other programs designed to break up families such as the residential schools for Indian children and was cancelled.
Breaking the cycle of generational poverty and generational crime is akin to cultural genocide.
Other than the DC jail, DC has no local prisons. After Lorton was closed, prisoners have been sent all over the country.
Who? What prisoners? People are no-papered or released for any and every crime.
Hyperbole is really not the best way to engage in serious discussion. Of course offenders are being sent to prison. If not, you wouldn't be able to complain about Charles Allen letting them out early.
Anonymous
10/06/2023 10:06
Subject: Operation Trident Results in 48 Arrests
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Don’t be fooled. Arrest means nothing.
Appropriate jail time means something.
Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) once had the answer, back when he was the mayor of Richmond. He pioneered Project Exile, the key feature being:
- federal incarceration at a prison at least 50 miles from the convict’s residence.
The 50+ miles is crucial. Recidivism under Senator Kaine’s program dropped to single digits. And lowering recidivism is the key to breaking the crime cycle we are stuck in.
The 50+ Mike provision was so effective because our current model jails convicts close to home, where they know some or many of their fellow inmates, and their family/girlfriends are very close by.
This 50+ mile factor may not seem significant to you. But you do not live in the same world as these convicts. Do not delude yourself; they seriously live in a mindset you cannot comprehend.
Sadly, Senator Kaine was attacked - from within his own party - over Project Exile with the false but all too common accusation it was “racist.”
Tim Kaine needs to revisit his earlier success and champion the program nation wide as a way to rescue our crime-plagued cities. The current “no incarceration” program is clearly not working, and innocent people are dying.
I've heard that DC tried this, in order to break up the gangs and families of criminals. It was successful but likened to other programs designed to break up families such as the residential schools for Indian children and was cancelled.
Breaking the cycle of generational poverty and generational crime is akin to cultural genocide.
Other than the DC jail, DC has no local prisons. After Lorton was closed, prisoners have been sent all over the country.
Who? What prisoners? People are no-papered or released for any and every crime.