Anonymous
Post 10/06/2023 13:41     Subject: Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
Anonymous wrote:No, and it shouldn’t. Even some top schools “yield protect” to keep their acceptance rate low. Some schools that know a kid will likely get into HPSM just don’t accept the kid.


+1

Anonymous
Post 10/06/2023 13:17     Subject: Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
Anonymous wrote:Any school that says they consider "demonstrated interest" on the CDS is basically admitting that they may take a student that they feel is more interested in attending over a (on paper) more accomplished student that they feel is not interested in attending. This is exactly what yield protection is.

What is a mystery to me is why schools do this when it is not part of the rankings?


Perhaps the students who are more interested in attending other schools are also more likely to transfer.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2023 10:53     Subject: Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
I find it unfair that enrollment management techniques can count against you. (OK, not "unfair," colleges can do what they want. But it stinks.) Like a school in Washington state can say, oh our data shows that kids from Northern NJ with a similar profile usually don't accept, so let's reject you.

Sometimes Demonstrated Interest can help you, but sometimes it can't.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2023 22:54     Subject: Re:Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
Anonymous wrote:Again Yield management exist of course, otherwise severe under-enrollment or over-enrollment would happen.

College should manage the enrollment.

At the same time, colleges accept lower stat kids over higher stat kids for various reasons all the time.



That's not what we're saying. Of course, lower stats kids sometimes get accepted over higher stat kids. What we're saying is a high stat kid that is accepted to Ivies but rejected at safeties (e.g. schools with acceptance rate over 40%).
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2023 20:19     Subject: Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Any school that says they consider "demonstrated interest" on the CDS is basically admitting that they may take a student that they feel is more interested in attending over a (on paper) more accomplished student that they feel is not interested in attending. This is exactly what yield protection is.

What is a mystery to me is why schools do this when it is not part of the rankings?


Because, gasp, some colleges may prefer applicants who demonstrably want to be there. It happens in the corporate world too. My law firm doesn’t typically offer to the same pool of students as Kirkland and Ellis or jones Day. Because frankly we aren’t that interested in having the kind of people who want to work at a culture like that.


Not the same thing since these colleges don't always call out how they want you to show interest. Some kids can't visit due to money/logistical issues. Clicks on emails and attendance on virtual sessions could be inaccurate to track. These schools are making assumptions. Your law firm of course welcome to do the same.

I am wondering now if schools do this so they can keep their admissions rate down yet still be able to fully populate their class. Otherwise they would have to model which high status students not attending and would be in trouble if model not accurate.


Schools have ton of data and information from the application package to make decision.




Anonymous
Post 10/05/2023 19:39     Subject: Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People, yield protection definitely exists. Colleges run a model (as noted by a pp above) to see which students are likely to accept them. That is why top students get rejected from their safeties but accepted to highly reach schools. You can put your head in the sand all you like.

No visit to UMN and Ohio St. but accepted with merit. Multiple visits to UVA and NEU, waitlisted. 4.5, 1560, NMSF. I'll be sure to share your hypothesis to my son.


So probably UMN and Ohio State weren’t yield protecting. Other schools do, though.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2023 18:37     Subject: Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Any school that says they consider "demonstrated interest" on the CDS is basically admitting that they may take a student that they feel is more interested in attending over a (on paper) more accomplished student that they feel is not interested in attending. This is exactly what yield protection is.

What is a mystery to me is why schools do this when it is not part of the rankings?


Because, gasp, some colleges may prefer applicants who demonstrably want to be there. It happens in the corporate world too. My law firm doesn’t typically offer to the same pool of students as Kirkland and Ellis or jones Day. Because frankly we aren’t that interested in having the kind of people who want to work at a culture like that.


Not the same thing since these colleges don't always call out how they want you to show interest. Some kids can't visit due to money/logistical issues. Clicks on emails and attendance on virtual sessions could be inaccurate to track. These schools are making assumptions. Your law firm of course welcome to do the same.

I am wondering now if schools do this so they can keep their admissions rate down yet still be able to fully populate their class. Otherwise they would have to model which high status students not attending and would be in trouble if model not accurate.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2023 15:24     Subject: Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
Anonymous wrote:Any school that says they consider "demonstrated interest" on the CDS is basically admitting that they may take a student that they feel is more interested in attending over a (on paper) more accomplished student that they feel is not interested in attending. This is exactly what yield protection is.

What is a mystery to me is why schools do this when it is not part of the rankings?


Because, gasp, some colleges may prefer applicants who demonstrably want to be there. It happens in the corporate world too. My law firm doesn’t typically offer to the same pool of students as Kirkland and Ellis or jones Day. Because frankly we aren’t that interested in having the kind of people who want to work at a culture like that.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2023 15:24     Subject: Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
Anonymous wrote:People, yield protection definitely exists. Colleges run a model (as noted by a pp above) to see which students are likely to accept them. That is why top students get rejected from their safeties but accepted to highly reach schools. You can put your head in the sand all you like.

No visit to UMN and Ohio St. but accepted with merit. Multiple visits to UVA and NEU, waitlisted. 4.5, 1560, NMSF. I'll be sure to share your hypothesis to my son.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2023 15:21     Subject: Re:Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
Again Yield management exist of course, otherwise severe under-enrollment or over-enrollment would happen.

College should manage the enrollment.

At the same time, colleges accept lower stat kids over higher stat kids for various reasons all the time.

Anonymous
Post 10/05/2023 14:46     Subject: Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
People, yield protection definitely exists. Colleges run a model (as noted by a pp above) to see which students are likely to accept them. That is why top students get rejected from their safeties but accepted to highly reach schools. You can put your head in the sand all you like.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2023 14:38     Subject: Re:Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are many rankings.

Currently the flagships ranking USN&WR doesn't factor acceptance rate and Yield into its ranking.


Thank you.



USNWR certainly takes acceptance into account. google USNWR college acceptance. It provides a list

Acceptance rate has not been included in the ranking calculation in several years.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2023 14:33     Subject: Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
Anonymous wrote:That doesn't make sense. If an applicant had some kind of hook or qualification (excellent grades, test scores, extracurriculars) that led to acceptance at multiple T20 schools, why wouldn't that hook or qualification be sufficient for admission at schools that are on average much less selective?


If the hook was legacy, then it isnt' a hook anywhere else.
If the hook was squash or sailing, then it isn't a hook at a school that doesn't have or value a squash or sailing team.

And so on.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2023 12:14     Subject: Re:Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are many rankings.

Currently the flagships ranking USN&WR doesn't factor acceptance rate and Yield into its ranking.


Thank you.



USNWR certainly takes acceptance into account. google USNWR college acceptance. It provides a list


They have a list of schools by selectivity. Then they rank using different factors, producing a different list--the rankings. They know people are curious about acceptance rates and yes them (incorrectly) as a proxy for quality. However, USNews doesn't use acceptance rates as a proxy for quality.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2023 12:11     Subject: Does yield factor into College Rankings or not?
Anonymous wrote:Yield protection definitely happens. Why would certain schools take 60+% of their class through ED otherwise? Some schools like to compete in the open market more than others, and are okay with losing students to other schools even if it hurts their acceptance rate and forces them to accept more students overall.


Strong argument for the most competitive students to use schools like GMU and VCU, which don’t care about acceptance rates, as safeties. Basically no school with ED wants your 1600 kid unless he applies ED.