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Anonymous wrote:My in-laws outside Denver have it. They spent about 100k on hardscape and astroturf. They have dogs with drains under the faux grass. They love it. Plus good for environment bc not watering it.

Oh please, it is not good for the environment. It is demonstrably terrible for the environment.

In a dry area to avoid watering you should use xeriscaping.

I'm wondering if there's an industry shill in this discussion. Astroturf for the astroturf.

So it’s better to use rocks and gravel as a “yard” instead of an artificial turf? AYFKM?

Because rocks and gravel are somehow better for the environment than an equally sterile patch of AstroTurf?

How about “which is more comfortable to walk on/play on/enjoy? “ You know - the important things that people ask of a yard? Would you rather walk barefoot on a patch of rocks and gravel or on artificial turf? Which would you rather sit on? Which is easier to keep clean and free of debris/leaves?


A gravel and rock yard is just as much a biological dead zone as a astroturf yard. In that case, why not at least pick the option of the one that’s at least comfortable to enjoy.


You think posters here are for the turf lobby? I think some people have have rocks in their heads.

Wow, you sure got triggered! Xeriscaping is landscaping designed to reduce the need for irrigation, and it's commonly used in drought-prone areas. It relies heavily on plants that are native and thus suited to thrive in the region. It is not all rocks, as you suggest, and can be both beneficial to the environment and aesthetically pleasing.

And yes, I would indeed rather walk on a xeriscaped yard, free of chemicals and certainly free of plastic! Of course I also don't view leaves as dirty. I have studied horticulture and am comfortable working with nature.

You may have studied horticulture, but you know squat about chemistry.

Rocks and gravel and native plants are all made of chemicals, too. And some of those native plants will kill you if you eat them. Plastic turf? Not so much.

Thank goodness you are a troll. I was concerned a person sincerely thought this. Enjoy eating your plastic turf.

Rocks are typically made of various complex inorganic silica-oxide compounds combined with a host of other elemental substances ranging from carbon, calcium, zirconium, and gasses like oxygen, nitrogen and chlorine, and various metallic elements like iron, nickel, aluminum and other metals, along with various geologically accumulated or processed biological materials (coal, limestone, coral rock).

So yes, rocks are indeed made of chemicals. Largely the same chemicals that artificial turf is made of, in fact.

It’s too bad whatever liberal arts school you attended didn’t expose you to middle school level chemistry.

Then where, pray tell, is your turf mined?

The silica sand underlayment of the turf fabric comes from naturally occurring deposits of sand that were deposited through sedimentary or wind processes. Gravel pits mine sand and gravel from deposits like this.

The fabric and turf itself is made from a combination of petroleum and soy based chemicals. The petroleum is extracted by wells from oil deposits that were created by prehistoric microfauna and phytoplankton accumulating in shallow inland seas. The soy based chemical components come from the processing of soybean oil into other finished products.

But the common thread in all of materials natural and manufactured alike, are the elements carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, silicon, calcium, and other common elements, combining to form the chemical compounds that rocks, grass and turf, are all made of.

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Anonymous wrote:My in-laws outside Denver have it. They spent about 100k on hardscape and astroturf. They have dogs with drains under the faux grass. They love it. Plus good for environment bc not watering it.

Oh please, it is not good for the environment. It is demonstrably terrible for the environment.

In a dry area to avoid watering you should use xeriscaping.

I'm wondering if there's an industry shill in this discussion. Astroturf for the astroturf.

So it’s better to use rocks and gravel as a “yard” instead of an artificial turf? AYFKM?

Because rocks and gravel are somehow better for the environment than an equally sterile patch of AstroTurf?

How about “which is more comfortable to walk on/play on/enjoy? “ You know - the important things that people ask of a yard? Would you rather walk barefoot on a patch of rocks and gravel or on artificial turf? Which would you rather sit on? Which is easier to keep clean and free of debris/leaves?


A gravel and rock yard is just as much a biological dead zone as a astroturf yard. In that case, why not at least pick the option of the one that’s at least comfortable to enjoy.


You think posters here are for the turf lobby? I think some people have have rocks in their heads.

Wow, you sure got triggered! Xeriscaping is landscaping designed to reduce the need for irrigation, and it's commonly used in drought-prone areas. It relies heavily on plants that are native and thus suited to thrive in the region. It is not all rocks, as you suggest, and can be both beneficial to the environment and aesthetically pleasing.

And yes, I would indeed rather walk on a xeriscaped yard, free of chemicals and certainly free of plastic! Of course I also don't view leaves as dirty. I have studied horticulture and am comfortable working with nature.

You may have studied horticulture, but you know squat about chemistry.

Rocks and gravel and native plants are all made of chemicals, too. And some of those native plants will kill you if you eat them. Plastic turf? Not so much.

Thank goodness you are a troll. I was concerned a person sincerely thought this. Enjoy eating your plastic turf.

Rocks are typically made of various complex inorganic silica-oxide compounds combined with a host of other elemental substances ranging from carbon, calcium, zirconium, and gasses like oxygen, nitrogen and chlorine, and various metallic elements like iron, nickel, aluminum and other metals, along with various geologically accumulated or processed biological materials (coal, limestone, coral rock).

So yes, rocks are indeed made of chemicals. Largely the same chemicals that artificial turf is made of, in fact.

It’s too bad whatever liberal arts school you attended didn’t expose you to middle school level chemistry.

Then where, pray tell, is your turf mined?

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Anonymous wrote:My in-laws outside Denver have it. They spent about 100k on hardscape and astroturf. They have dogs with drains under the faux grass. They love it. Plus good for environment bc not watering it.

Oh please, it is not good for the environment. It is demonstrably terrible for the environment.

In a dry area to avoid watering you should use xeriscaping.

I'm wondering if there's an industry shill in this discussion. Astroturf for the astroturf.

So it’s better to use rocks and gravel as a “yard” instead of an artificial turf? AYFKM?

Because rocks and gravel are somehow better for the environment than an equally sterile patch of AstroTurf?

How about “which is more comfortable to walk on/play on/enjoy? “ You know - the important things that people ask of a yard? Would you rather walk barefoot on a patch of rocks and gravel or on artificial turf? Which would you rather sit on? Which is easier to keep clean and free of debris/leaves?


A gravel and rock yard is just as much a biological dead zone as a astroturf yard. In that case, why not at least pick the option of the one that’s at least comfortable to enjoy.


You think posters here are for the turf lobby? I think some people have have rocks in their heads.

Wow, you sure got triggered! Xeriscaping is landscaping designed to reduce the need for irrigation, and it's commonly used in drought-prone areas. It relies heavily on plants that are native and thus suited to thrive in the region. It is not all rocks, as you suggest, and can be both beneficial to the environment and aesthetically pleasing.

And yes, I would indeed rather walk on a xeriscaped yard, free of chemicals and certainly free of plastic! Of course I also don't view leaves as dirty. I have studied horticulture and am comfortable working with nature.

You may have studied horticulture, but you know squat about chemistry.

Rocks and gravel and native plants are all made of chemicals, too. And some of those native plants will kill you if you eat them. Plastic turf? Not so much.

Thank goodness you are a troll. I was concerned a person sincerely thought this. Enjoy eating your plastic turf.

Rocks are typically made of various complex inorganic silica-oxide compounds combined with a host of other elemental substances ranging from carbon, calcium, zirconium, and gasses like oxygen, nitrogen and chlorine, and various metallic elements like iron, nickel, aluminum and other metals, along with various geologically accumulated or processed biological materials (coal, limestone, coral rock).

So yes, rocks are indeed made of chemicals. Largely the same chemicals that artificial turf is made of, in fact.

It’s too bad whatever liberal arts school you attended didn’t expose you to middle school level chemistry.

Anonymous wrote:Ugh. I cannot believe this is a thing. AstroTurf belongs on the porch, like God intended.

Seriously though, impermeable surfaces aren’t that great for the local aquifer. Are these plastic lawns permeable?

Hell yeah! DCAF!!!!

Ugh. I cannot believe this is a thing. AstroTurf belongs on the porch, like God intended.

Seriously though, impermeable surfaces aren’t that great for the local aquifer. Are these plastic lawns permeable?

astroturf can just as easily become a weed haven. eventually organic material from falling leaves, etc comes in and settles. weeds fly in from above.

Anonymous wrote:It utterly destroys habitat for birds and insects and starves the soil beneath it. I am always stunned when I see people put in in their yards.

No lawns are barren wasteland. There is no benefit to any with a lawn.

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Anonymous wrote:My in-laws outside Denver have it. They spent about 100k on hardscape and astroturf. They have dogs with drains under the faux grass. They love it. Plus good for environment bc not watering it.

Oh please, it is not good for the environment. It is demonstrably terrible for the environment.

In a dry area to avoid watering you should use xeriscaping.

I'm wondering if there's an industry shill in this discussion. Astroturf for the astroturf.

So it’s better to use rocks and gravel as a “yard” instead of an artificial turf? AYFKM?

Because rocks and gravel are somehow better for the environment than an equally sterile patch of AstroTurf?

How about “which is more comfortable to walk on/play on/enjoy? “ You know - the important things that people ask of a yard? Would you rather walk barefoot on a patch of rocks and gravel or on artificial turf? Which would you rather sit on? Which is easier to keep clean and free of debris/leaves?


A gravel and rock yard is just as much a biological dead zone as a astroturf yard. In that case, why not at least pick the option of the one that’s at least comfortable to enjoy.


You think posters here are for the turf lobby? I think some people have have rocks in their heads.

Wow, you sure got triggered! Xeriscaping is landscaping designed to reduce the need for irrigation, and it's commonly used in drought-prone areas. It relies heavily on plants that are native and thus suited to thrive in the region. It is not all rocks, as you suggest, and can be both beneficial to the environment and aesthetically pleasing.

And yes, I would indeed rather walk on a xeriscaped yard, free of chemicals and certainly free of plastic! Of course I also don't view leaves as dirty. I have studied horticulture and am comfortable working with nature.

You may have studied horticulture, but you know squat about chemistry.

Rocks and gravel and native plants are all made of chemicals, too. And some of those native plants will kill you if you eat them. Plastic turf? Not so much.

Thank goodness you are a troll. I was concerned a person sincerely thought this. Enjoy eating your plastic turf.

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Anonymous wrote:My in-laws outside Denver have it. They spent about 100k on hardscape and astroturf. They have dogs with drains under the faux grass. They love it. Plus good for environment bc not watering it.

Oh please, it is not good for the environment. It is demonstrably terrible for the environment.

In a dry area to avoid watering you should use xeriscaping.

I'm wondering if there's an industry shill in this discussion. Astroturf for the astroturf.

You seem unusually triggered by other people’s yards not meeting with your approval. Seems like the sort of thing you might want to speak to a therapist about.