Anonymous
Post 09/30/2023 10:21     Subject: Re:Am I being insane?
Anonymous wrote:They also want to make sure YOU know what you’re getting into, that you are ok with the commute and the digs and the coworkers. Sucks to hire someone, train them, only to have them realize that it’s a bad fit.


Interesting that you mentioned this because that's what I feel I got out of my last interview. It felt like a warning session. They were very clear about how things were done and conveyed a lot about the work culture. It was a panel interview over Zoom. So, I also saw how decisions were made in the office. They liked that I was personable and able to build from solid credentials. Also, that I could take direction well and fit into a high-pressure work mode.

I felt prepared for it, got the job, and have thrived in that environment. It is very rigid, bureaucratic, and formal. The turnover is insane!
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2023 09:29     Subject: Re:Am I being insane?
They also want to make sure YOU know what you’re getting into, that you are ok with the commute and the digs and the coworkers. Sucks to hire someone, train them, only to have them realize that it’s a bad fit.
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2023 09:37     Subject: Am I being insane?
Also a lawyer, and everyone we interview is highly qualified on paper. Agree with what PP said, but in my office we also talk about potential hires in terms of "can I travel with this person?" -- can you see yourself or your team getting along with the interviewee during stressful times when everyone is working long hours. It matters.
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2023 09:36     Subject: Am I being insane?
Anonymous wrote:My take on this is different. I have seen beautifully crafted resumes that paints a very different story than I was able to get from an in person interview. Anyone can write anything, and anyone can pay someone else to write anything. A few well-placed questions can tell you quickly whether or not the person has knowledge and context, or if they were just spitting out a few keywords.

I am also in tech, and there is a well-known phenomenon of having someone different apply than the person who shows up at the first day! So visual confirmation of who the heck you’re actually hiring is important.


Maybe I'm just too in love with this term, but I'd say that all falls under vibe check.

You get a resume. That tells you certain facts about a person. You want to meet them in person to see if they are a good fit for you - and you for them - as a holistic person.

And to the PPs saying that this can be a way to discriminate - sure, yes, it can be. You hope that bias training and building awareness, and other things, will help get around that. And yes it can also be a way to discriminate against awkward Americans, people with disabilities, those who simply don't know how to dress themselves in a flattering manner (or don't have the resources to do it), etc. But resumes allow for discrimination, too. If you're picking people from Ivies, you're getting a certain type of person. There is no foolproof way to do hiring - or to look for a job. But I don't think it's unreasonable for people to want to meet the person they are investing a lot of resources into bringing on board - and for whom they are turning away other candidates.

That said I haven't done in person interviews for my last three jobs. But those were all remote jobs, at a fairly senior level, with people I knew based on my previous work. We knew each other's vibes (or thought we did - two of the three jobs turned out to be a nightmare, so go figure - I don't think in person interviewing would have changed that, though).
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2023 09:34     Subject: Am I being insane?
I’m a lawyer and interviews are really important. There are a lot of people who look good on paper but then they are in your office unable to talk intelligently about the legal issues in their own research paper or past cases. The great candidates are the ones that when you ask a follow up question, they can explain the issues cogently and then transition to an intellectually interesting conversation about related issues.
My advice for everyone is to go over your resume and make sure you can answer questions about what is on it.
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2023 09:12     Subject: Am I being insane?
My take on this is different. I have seen beautifully crafted resumes that paints a very different story than I was able to get from an in person interview. Anyone can write anything, and anyone can pay someone else to write anything. A few well-placed questions can tell you quickly whether or not the person has knowledge and context, or if they were just spitting out a few keywords.

I am also in tech, and there is a well-known phenomenon of having someone different apply than the person who shows up at the first day! So visual confirmation of who the heck you’re actually hiring is important.
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2023 09:07     Subject: Am I being insane?
Anonymous wrote:Frankly I thought the point of in-person interviews was for you, the interviewee to decide if you like the job/co-workers/boss.


Yes, the vibe check goes both ways
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2023 09:05     Subject: Am I being insane?
Anonymous wrote:What is a vibe check??? 😫😫

And how would one pass it ? /OP


OP - I can't tell if you are being deliberately difficult. But your vibe check here in this thread is that you are rigid, and seem not to understand simple human interaction. Can I ask how old you are and what you do for a living?
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2023 09:04     Subject: Am I being insane?
Anonymous wrote:OP here.
Yes I understand kind of what you’re saying PP. But I know people who have had to do interviews for Dunkin Donuts or an entry level job etc. It is crazy.


Why is that crazy? Those are in person jobs, where it's important that you are on time and present yourself in a manner where people will feel comfortable eating the food you are serving them. If anything it's more important to do an in person interview for Dunkin than it is for some remote senior position.
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2023 08:57     Subject: Am I being insane?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What the hell is a vibe check?

Are you confirming to me that its about looks? Or I don’t get it.


Vibe check is shortcut for: who I like based on my proclivities and biases. There have been many studies that have determined it’s completely unreliable.
Anonymous
Post 09/29/2023 08:57     Subject: Am I being insane?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hoping for the day when checking "vibes" gets recognized for the discrimination against introverts it is.


No they're not. There's a huge difference between an introvert and a stick in the mud, or an obnoxious dbag.


Some people simply don't know how to send out "vibes" and are baffled by the whole thing. They may be effective and fair colleagues but they have no idea how to convince you that you can imagine yourself hanging out with them.
Anonymous
Post 09/28/2023 20:09     Subject: Am I being insane?
Anonymous wrote:What the hell is a vibe check?

Are you confirming to me that its about looks? Or I don’t get it.


Vibe check is shortcut for: who I like based on my proclivities and biases. There have been many studies that have determined it’s completely unreliable.
Anonymous
Post 09/28/2023 20:03     Subject: Am I being insane?
I’ve been on job forum for a decade and this is the first I’ve ever heard of vibe.

But with racial, gender, height, age threads of the past, I can do the math.
Anonymous
Post 09/28/2023 20:00     Subject: Am I being insane?
Anonymous wrote:What the hell is a vibe check?

Are you confirming to me that its about looks? Or I don’t get it.


Yes. Cultural fit is attractive and age check.
Anonymous
Post 09/28/2023 19:59     Subject: Am I being insane?
Anonymous wrote:Frankly I thought the point of in-person interviews was for you, the interviewee to decide if you like the job/co-workers/boss.


Which may very well come across in your "vibe".