Anonymous wrote:It is bizarre how many of you seem so much more worried about these dogs than children who were killed by them. Get your priorities right freaks.

I'm sorry you did not supervise your dog and child correctly.

Anonymous wrote:It is bizarre how many of you seem so much more worried about these dogs than children who were killed by them. Get your priorities right freaks.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Instead of clasping your pearls, maybe work on educating yourself and others to prevent the next tragedy. You seem to be the one who has misplaced priorities.

It is bizarre how many of you seem so much more worried about these dogs than children who were killed by them. Get your priorities right freaks.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Don’t worry OP, eventually that dog will disfigure that kid’s face and then the horrified parents will kill the dog, putting it out of its misery. [/quote]

PS: six year olds and dogs should NEVER be playing together unsupervised by adult humans. Sadly this happens ALL THE TIME which is why so many kids get disfigured by dogs who then get euthanized by the negligent parents/guardians who made it happen.[/quote]

Not sure what this PP is trying to say because no, none of that happens all the time.

What a bizarre way to troll.[/quote]

Okay, not all the time - but very very commonly parents leave young children and dogs unattended to play together.

[quote]More than 2 million children are bitten by dogs each year in America. The Humane Society estimates 51% of dog bite victims are children. Children between the ages of 5 and 9 are most likely to be bitten by a dog. Around 26% of all children bit by dogs require emergency treatment at a hospital. - Mar 5, 2023[/quote]

One particularly sad case I saw a couple of years ago involved a boy about this age sent out in the yard to play with his 9 month old Labrador puppy while mom stayed inside doing very important things.

It was winter and the boy was bundled up, including a scarf around his neck. While he was running around with his puppy chasing him, the dog behaved in a normal dog way and grabbed the trailing scarf in its mouth. Then accidentally strangling the child to death. And the family euthanized the dog.

Every single child maimed or killed by a dog is actually the victim of negligent parenting. Period.[/quote]

I’m trying to understand your point here. Do you think the family should not have euthanized a dog that literally killed their child?[/quote]

Let me make my point as clearly as possible:

When a dog mauls or otherwise harms a child, there are two victims - the child and the dog. Both are victims of arrogant or stupid adult humans. The adult human - parent, grandparent, babysitter, etc. is the only responsible party. Both children and dogs are owed a duty of care by the adult humans who are responsible for them.

I have zero sympathy for people whose babies are eaten by dogs they left them unattended with - my sympathy is entirely with the babies and the dogs.

Dogs have certain predictable behaviors that most idiot humans don’t even bother to learn (even though there are hundreds of canine behavior books available from which to learn) because they think they know it all and they assume dogs will behave like cartoon characters rather than taking the time to understand how they predictably react to certain stimuli, and that they are quite simply incapable of forming malicious intent to hurt a child.

For instance, dogs maul human infants - usually to death - because human infants make mewling sounds just like baby rabbits do, and dogs have thousands of generations of evolutionary instinct deep in their walnut sized brains that tells them to grab and shake and kill mewling helpless creatures - it’s called prey drive. Yet there are many idiot adult humans who leave helpless infants on the bed or floor with everything from a chihuahua to a xl pitbull, all of which no matter how friendly and well trained are capable of killing a human infant usually with just one instinctive bite to the neck. The dog isn’t mean, or angry, or anything else - it’s just a dog. And then it gets either beaten to death or humanely euthanized when really what should happen is the human adult in charge should be sterilized and have any remaining children removed from their care permanently. And of course they should never be allowed to own another dog because they lack the capacity to do so responsibly.

Puppies chase. Puppies are mouthy. Puppies grab at things - everything - with their mouths. A puppy grabbing at a bright scarf in the midst of a chase has done absolutely nothing wrong, and while I certainly understand the desire to never see the puppy again and be remained of the child’s terrible wasted life, the puppy did nothing to deserve being killed. Re-home it, because it is not a dangerous dog. It is just a puppy acting in entirely predictable ways. And if mom hadn’t been so busy on her phone, or watching her daytime TV programs, or shagging the plumber or whatever - her child would not have died and neither would the puppy. It was 💯 her fault, and nobody else’s. But her failure to take responsibility resulted in her taking revenge on a helpless animal. So she killed two for the price of one.[/quote]

Wow you are a psycho. I hope you don’t have kids. Any dog that kills or injured a helpless child should be taken out back and shot. [/quote]

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NP here. PP is 110% correct. The parents should be supervising, not locking their small children outside. The parents failed the innocent puppy and the innocent child. I have seen parents with 3 to 5 small children, lock them out, while the children pounded on the door to come back in. The parents expected either the children to entertain themselves (they were too small to do so) or the neighbor to entertain their children. The mom was a SAHM (it doesn't matter, but in this particular case, it does) and chose to deliberately go back to bed, get on the phone, watch her shows, anything but engage with her small children each morning. She locked her children outside, and had the small children fend for themselves. It is sad and jolting, if you have never experienced this. So yes, the parents are completely and unequivocally at fault.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I wouldn’t say anything, but then I see this as a very cultural issue. In many parts of Asia, people still eat dogs. The kid is not having great empathy and understanding for the dog for sure.

You may be better off having your kid “gift” that kid a How to Train your Puppy for kids book.

Yeah we eat pigs and cows here … I would still report to someone if I saw a neighbor abusing their pig or cow. Animals being raised for food doesn’t mean other animals should have to endure abuse.

Op I would straight up just call ASPCA and ask for the local number if they won’t come. This family won’t change and their poor dog will either suffer or eventually die. Just get him removed. They know their son does this, they don’t care.

Yeah, I disagree. The ASPCA killed almost a million animals last year anyway, so it doesn’t seem like the perfect option.

Would the OP be comfortable having her kids mention something to the 6 year old about it when they are all outside together? Nothing big, just “you are hurting your dog when you play with him. He is running because he is scared.” The kid is only 6 and the Ops are older. Is the kid typical otherwise? Sometimes older kids can be teachers too. If not, maybe go outside with your kids and talk to the kid and point out the behavior that shows the dog doesn’t like it. If he still doesn’t listen, tell him you are feeling bad for the dog and will talk to his parents about it.

It takes a village and not just calling the authorities for things that are awful.

Anonymous wrote:My nephew was rough with his dog at age 6 — it was distressing for everyone and my sister spent a year of her life repeating “gentle.”
This was a boy who was not being abused or neglected and who had responsible parents. He was just a high-energy kid who was too young to have proper perspective. He did eventually grow out of it.

The neighbors should not be leaving the boy and dog alone together, period.

Maybe it wouldn't have taken a whole year if she had actually parented and told the kid "no" and "stop it." Poor dog had to be tortured in the meantime, but at least everyone was "distressed" about it.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Don’t worry OP, eventually that dog will disfigure that kid’s face and then the horrified parents will kill the dog, putting it out of its misery. [/quote]

PS: six year olds and dogs should NEVER be playing together unsupervised by adult humans. Sadly this happens ALL THE TIME which is why so many kids get disfigured by dogs who then get euthanized by the negligent parents/guardians who made it happen.[/quote]

Not sure what this PP is trying to say because no, none of that happens all the time.

What a bizarre way to troll.[/quote]

Okay, not all the time - but very very commonly parents leave young children and dogs unattended to play together.

[quote]More than 2 million children are bitten by dogs each year in America. The Humane Society estimates 51% of dog bite victims are children. Children between the ages of 5 and 9 are most likely to be bitten by a dog. Around 26% of all children bit by dogs require emergency treatment at a hospital. - Mar 5, 2023[/quote]

One particularly sad case I saw a couple of years ago involved a boy about this age sent out in the yard to play with his 9 month old Labrador puppy while mom stayed inside doing very important things.

It was winter and the boy was bundled up, including a scarf around his neck. While he was running around with his puppy chasing him, the dog behaved in a normal dog way and grabbed the trailing scarf in its mouth. Then accidentally strangling the child to death. And the family euthanized the dog.

Every single child maimed or killed by a dog is actually the victim of negligent parenting. Period.[/quote]

I’m trying to understand your point here. Do you think the family should not have euthanized a dog that literally killed their child?[/quote]

Let me make my point as clearly as possible:

When a dog mauls or otherwise harms a child, there are two victims - the child and the dog. Both are victims of arrogant or stupid adult humans. The adult human - parent, grandparent, babysitter, etc. is the only responsible party. Both children and dogs are owed a duty of care by the adult humans who are responsible for them.

I have zero sympathy for people whose babies are eaten by dogs they left them unattended with - my sympathy is entirely with the babies and the dogs.

Dogs have certain predictable behaviors that most idiot humans don’t even bother to learn (even though there are hundreds of canine behavior books available from which to learn) because they think they know it all and they assume dogs will behave like cartoon characters rather than taking the time to understand how they predictably react to certain stimuli, and that they are quite simply incapable of forming malicious intent to hurt a child.

For instance, dogs maul human infants - usually to death - because human infants make mewling sounds just like baby rabbits do, and dogs have thousands of generations of evolutionary instinct deep in their walnut sized brains that tells them to grab and shake and kill mewling helpless creatures - it’s called prey drive. Yet there are many idiot adult humans who leave helpless infants on the bed or floor with everything from a chihuahua to a xl pitbull, all of which no matter how friendly and well trained are capable of killing a human infant usually with just one instinctive bite to the neck. The dog isn’t mean, or angry, or anything else - it’s just a dog. And then it gets either beaten to death or humanely euthanized when really what should happen is the human adult in charge should be sterilized and have any remaining children removed from their care permanently. And of course they should never be allowed to own another dog because they lack the capacity to do so responsibly.

Puppies chase. Puppies are mouthy. Puppies grab at things - everything - with their mouths. A puppy grabbing at a bright scarf in the midst of a chase has done absolutely nothing wrong, and while I certainly understand the desire to never see the puppy again and be remained of the child’s terrible wasted life, the puppy did nothing to deserve being killed. Re-home it, because it is not a dangerous dog. It is just a puppy acting in entirely predictable ways. And if mom hadn’t been so busy on her phone, or watching her daytime TV programs, or shagging the plumber or whatever - her child would not have died and neither would the puppy. It was 💯 her fault, and nobody else’s. But her failure to take responsibility resulted in her taking revenge on a helpless animal. So she killed two for the price of one.[/quote]

Wow you are a psycho. I hope you don’t have kids. Any dog that kills or injured a helpless child should be taken out back and shot.

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I wouldn’t say anything, but then I see this as a very cultural issue. In many parts of Asia, people still eat dogs. The kid is not having great empathy and understanding for the dog for sure.

You may be better off having your kid “gift” that kid a How to Train your Puppy for kids book.

Yeah we eat pigs and cows here … I would still report to someone if I saw a neighbor abusing their pig or cow. Animals being raised for food doesn’t mean other animals should have to endure abuse.

Op I would straight up just call ASPCA and ask for the local number if they won’t come. This family won’t change and their poor dog will either suffer or eventually die. Just get him removed. They know their son does this, they don’t care.

Honestly, I wouldn’t say anything, but then I see this as a very cultural issue. In many parts of Asia, people still eat dogs. The kid is not having great empathy and understanding for the dog for sure.

You may be better off having your kid “gift” that kid a How to Train your Puppy for kids book.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. Dogs are pets, they have one job - to make the family happy. A dog that bites or is reactive or injures/mauls/kills a family member is a bad pet, even if it is an accident or predictable. There are enough dogs in the world, we don't need to keep bad ones.

The vast majority of dogs become bad pets because of the humans that negligently raise them.

And your ignorance is astounding in that you don’t even seem to realize that until very very recently dogs were never raised to be pets, they were raised to do jobs for humans. Each breed that exists was bred originally for a job apart from amusing or ‘loving’ a human. You are exactly the sort of person who thinks they know it all, refuses to be bothered to learn about canine evolution and behavior, then kills the dog when YOUR negligence results in an injury to a child or other family member. Bully for you, aren’t you something.

A bad working dog isn't kept around very long either - if that's what you were trying to imply. Bad working dogs were either kept as pets or disposed of.

Just say something to the parents and definitely stop the kid from abusing the dog if you see it in person. If it continues after you talk to the parents, call animal control. Dogs can't advocate for themselves.

You should contact the local ASPCA or humane society. You can also put in a non-emergency 911 call to the police and ask them to come by and say people have reported it in the neighborhood. They're going to know it was one of their neighbors in likely you, but hopefully getting a third party involved will know that you're serious.

Anonymous wrote:DP. Dogs are pets, they have one job - to make the family happy. A dog that bites or is reactive or injures/mauls/kills a family member is a bad pet, even if it is an accident or predictable. There are enough dogs in the world, we don't need to keep bad ones.

The vast majority of dogs become bad pets because of the humans that negligently raise them.

And your ignorance is astounding in that you don’t even seem to realize that until very very recently dogs were never raised to be pets, they were raised to do jobs for humans. Each breed that exists was bred originally for a job apart from amusing or ‘loving’ a human. You are exactly the sort of person who thinks they know it all, refuses to be bothered to learn about canine evolution and behavior, then kills the dog when YOUR negligence results in an injury to a child or other family member. Bully for you, aren’t you something.

Anonymous wrote:DP. Dogs are pets, they have one job - to make the family happy. A dog that bites or is reactive or injures/mauls/kills a family member is a bad pet, even if it is an accident or predictable. There are enough dogs in the world, we don't need to keep bad ones.

Nana tripped on Fido. Kill Fido! That’s the only solution…

DP. Dogs are pets, they have one job - to make the family happy. A dog that bites or is reactive or injures/mauls/kills a family member is a bad pet, even if it is an accident or predictable. There are enough dogs in the world, we don't need to keep bad ones.