Anonymous
09/17/2023 13:20
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
Anonymous wrote:interesting, but I dont agree that places like WI and MI and Il and UVA and UVM are giving much merit money to OOS.
Bama and SC and Ole Miss, yes. But I see the need to buy these kids
These are not all the same.
Anonymous
09/17/2023 13:18
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is a result of the woke schools with large endowments filling their classes with URMs, so state schools are targeting those that have been displaced from their usual destinations, who just happen to be predominantly white UMC candidates.
There aren’t enough urms in t20s to shift hundreds of thousand kids to oos flagships
The author has it right
“Above average” kids got dropped and rightly so
Even if urms went to 0, the above average kid getting into vandy or Dartmouth in 1990 isn’t getting in today
Yes, math is hard but take a minute to do it and you will see the shift. Is it huge when you look at the top 20, no because there are so few seats, but it i present. Using the USNNWR top 20 and ties from last year there are about 50K freshman seats. That will change slightly as different size schools move in and out of the top 20 but from those schools CDS data there were 14,687 URMs and 12,096 Asians enrolled.
So URMs make up about 29.5% of the freshman population and Asians about 24% of the freshman population, leaving 46.5% for whites and unidentified. So, yes white kids are being shifted to state flagships, hundreds of thousands no, but thousands. So, some exceptional kids are losing seats as well as many above average kids. But in the end it only matters if it is your kid.
Why are you adding urms and Asians in one bucket when they are kept separate by admissions?
The pp talked about urm effect
Asians outcompeting above average white kids rightly is pushing non-impressive white kids to oos publics
Not putting into the same bucket. 29.5% URM (Hispanic, Black, Native American, Alaska native). 24% are Asian, the over represented minority.
So 53.5% of student population are minorities. Since minorities represent about 1/3 of the population they are over represented by about 20%. While whites who represent about 2/3 of the US population are underrepresented by about 20%.
Make of it what you will, those are the statistics. So more white kids are going out of state, to other state flagships.
Anonymous
09/17/2023 13:06
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
If you believe in diversity, there is some value in kids getting educated with kids from different regions. So the mixing and matching makes sense.
Anonymous
09/17/2023 13:01
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is a result of the woke schools with large endowments filling their classes with URMs, so state schools are targeting those that have been displaced from their usual destinations, who just happen to be predominantly white UMC candidates.
There aren’t enough urms in t20s to shift hundreds of thousand kids to oos flagships
The author has it right
“Above average” kids got dropped and rightly so
Even if urms went to 0, the above average kid getting into vandy or Dartmouth in 1990 isn’t getting in today
Yes, math is hard but take a minute to do it and you will see the shift. Is it huge when you look at the top 20, no because there are so few seats, but it i present. Using the USNNWR top 20 and ties from last year there are about 50K freshman seats. That will change slightly as different size schools move in and out of the top 20 but from those schools CDS data there were 14,687 URMs and 12,096 Asians enrolled.
So URMs make up about 29.5% of the freshman population and Asians about 24% of the freshman population, leaving 46.5% for whites and unidentified. So, yes white kids are being shifted to state flagships, hundreds of thousands no, but thousands. So, some exceptional kids are losing seats as well as many above average kids. But in the end it only matters if it is your kid.
Why are you adding urms and Asians in one bucket when they are kept separate by admissions?
The pp talked about urm effect
Asians outcompeting above average white kids rightly is pushing non-impressive white kids to oos publics
Anonymous
09/17/2023 12:58
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is a result of the woke schools with large endowments filling their classes with URMs, so state schools are targeting those that have been displaced from their usual destinations, who just happen to be predominantly white UMC candidates.
Congratulations on the stupidest post of the day. A glance at the URM percentage at almost any school shows how laughably out of touch this moronic post is, but don’t let facts stand in your way.
Do you have a neo-Nazi protest to attend in Florida?
The percentage of white kids is going down dramatically at top schools. The PP forgot to include International schools with the URMs, but it undeniable that whites are getting fewer admissions to top schools:
For example, Stanford's enrollment rate for white students in the Class of 2026 was 22%.
Whites and Asians make up more than 75% of college ready students in the U.S. and whites are the vast majority of those.
Non Jewish white kids are NOT t20 material anymore unless they can play a sport or bring lots of money in via parents
You do realize goyim whites get geographic affirmative action at t20s already
If anything, if you wanted pure academics to matter then Asians and Jews and internationals will take all the spots
Somehow our country managed OK back when "goyim whites" were the majority at these schools. Wow, PP.
Anonymous
09/15/2023 09:25
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is a result of the woke schools with large endowments filling their classes with URMs, so state schools are targeting those that have been displaced from their usual destinations, who just happen to be predominantly white UMC candidates.
There aren’t enough urms in t20s to shift hundreds of thousand kids to oos flagships
The author has it right
“Above average” kids got dropped and rightly so
Even if urms went to 0, the above average kid getting into vandy or Dartmouth in 1990 isn’t getting in today
Yes, math is hard but take a minute to do it and you will see the shift. Is it huge when you look at the top 20, no because there are so few seats, but it i present. Using the USNNWR top 20 and ties from last year there are about 50K freshman seats. That will change slightly as different size schools move in and out of the top 20 but from those schools CDS data there were 14,687 URMs and 12,096 Asians enrolled.
So URMs make up about 29.5% of the freshman population and Asians about 24% of the freshman population, leaving 46.5% for whites and unidentified. So, yes white kids are being shifted to state flagships, hundreds of thousands no, but thousands. So, some exceptional kids are losing seats as well as many above average kids. But in the end it only matters if it is your kid.
Anonymous
09/14/2023 21:10
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is a result of the woke schools with large endowments filling their classes with URMs, so state schools are targeting those that have been displaced from their usual destinations, who just happen to be predominantly white UMC candidates.
Congratulations on the stupidest post of the day. A glance at the URM percentage at almost any school shows how laughably out of touch this moronic post is, but don’t let facts stand in your way.
Do you have a neo-Nazi protest to attend in Florida?
The percentage of white kids is going down dramatically at top schools. The PP forgot to include International schools with the URMs, but it undeniable that whites are getting fewer admissions to top schools:
For example, Stanford's enrollment rate for white students in the Class of 2026 was 22%.
Whites and Asians make up more than 75% of college ready students in the U.S. and whites are the vast majority of those.
Again, there are not enough seats at top schools to enroll the high achieving kids, no matter what race. As you stated there are more white kids in that 75% because there are more white kids in the pool. Even decreasing the percentage of URM kids to 5- 10% of kids at top schools will not change what is happening at public universities.
Anonymous
09/14/2023 19:59
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
interesting, but I dont agree that places like WI and MI and Il and UVA and UVM are giving much merit money to OOS.
Bama and SC and Ole Miss, yes. But I see the need to buy these kids
Bama and SC and Ole Miss, yes. But I see the need to buy these kids
Anonymous
09/14/2023 19:38
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Look at percentage of white students in the incoming classes at these schools:
UPenn 35%
Northwestern 33%
Yale 31%
Stanford 22%
John’s Hopkins 17%
VS
Some state flagships
Illinois 37%
UMich 49%
UVA 52%
Wisconsin 57%
Ohio State 62%
And look at the Asian applicants at those schools. It's not URMs driving down the white seats.
Correct. People forget the “U” in URM stands for “under-represented”.
Anonymous
09/14/2023 19:34
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is a result of the woke schools with large endowments filling their classes with URMs, so state schools are targeting those that have been displaced from their usual destinations, who just happen to be predominantly white UMC candidates.
Congratulations on the stupidest post of the day. A glance at the URM percentage at almost any school shows how laughably out of touch this moronic post is, but don’t let facts stand in your way.
Do you have a neo-Nazi protest to attend in Florida?
The percentage of white kids is going down dramatically at top schools. The PP forgot to include International schools with the URMs, but it undeniable that whites are getting fewer admissions to top schools:
For example, Stanford's enrollment rate for white students in the Class of 2026 was 22%.
Whites and Asians make up more than 75% of college ready students in the U.S. and whites are the vast majority of those.
Non Jewish white kids are NOT t20 material anymore unless they can play a sport or bring lots of money in via parents
You do realize goyim whites get geographic affirmative action at t20s already
If anything, if you wanted pure academics to matter then Asians and Jews and internationals will take all the spots
Anonymous
09/14/2023 19:22
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is a result of the woke schools with large endowments filling their classes with URMs, so state schools are targeting those that have been displaced from their usual destinations, who just happen to be predominantly white UMC candidates.
Congratulations on the stupidest post of the day. A glance at the URM percentage at almost any school shows how laughably out of touch this moronic post is, but don’t let facts stand in your way.
Do you have a neo-Nazi protest to attend in Florida?
The percentage of white kids is going down dramatically at top schools. The PP forgot to include International schools with the URMs, but it undeniable that whites are getting fewer admissions to top schools:
For example, Stanford's enrollment rate for white students in the Class of 2026 was 22%.
Whites and Asians make up more than 75% of college ready students in the U.S. and whites are the vast majority of those.
*International students
Anonymous
09/14/2023 19:22
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is a result of the woke schools with large endowments filling their classes with URMs, so state schools are targeting those that have been displaced from their usual destinations, who just happen to be predominantly white UMC candidates.
Congratulations on the stupidest post of the day. A glance at the URM percentage at almost any school shows how laughably out of touch this moronic post is, but don’t let facts stand in your way.
Do you have a neo-Nazi protest to attend in Florida?
The percentage of white kids is going down dramatically at top schools. The PP forgot to include International schools with the URMs, but it undeniable that whites are getting fewer admissions to top schools:
For example, Stanford's enrollment rate for white students in the Class of 2026 was 22%.
Whites and Asians make up more than 75% of college ready students in the U.S. and whites are the vast majority of those.
Anonymous
09/14/2023 18:36
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
Anonymous wrote:This is a result of the woke schools with large endowments filling their classes with URMs, so state schools are targeting those that have been displaced from their usual destinations, who just happen to be predominantly white UMC candidates.
There aren’t enough urms in t20s to shift hundreds of thousand kids to oos flagships
The author has it right
“Above average” kids got dropped and rightly so
Even if urms went to 0, the above average kid getting into vandy or Dartmouth in 1990 isn’t getting in today
Anonymous
09/14/2023 17:48
Subject: The New Out-of-State Recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I want my state to recruit the smartest and most productive and interesting kids to come here because I know there’s some likelihood they will stay and contribute to making my state better. I don’t care what race or background the kids are. It’s malfeasance for a state NOT to be doing this.
That's not what is happening. They are recruiting from rich white areas to get a bunch of rich kids to pay out of state and correct some budget deficits.
That is why so many W kids go to Michigan. It was a budget issue.
UVA tried to do it with Montgomery County kids but a group of parents sued the school for taking essentially the exact same kid from a W school vs a northern VA school just for the $$, and the parents won, which is why UVA now has a limit on OOS kids from places like MoCo.
citation?
Anonymous
09/14/2023 17:45
Subject: Re:The New Out-of-State Recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The reason they want oos students is the cost difference. Full pay oos subsidizes lower in state tuition. The solution would be for the state to increase funding to its public universities, via higher taxes, so that the oos student subsidy isn’t needed. Very unlikely to happen in current political climate.
The solution is for states to mandate a high percentage of instate with low tuition and let the schools figure out how to make it work. This is the situation with most flagships and it serves in state residents well
The public school are run by boards appointed by the politicians, right? Their cronies are the ones in charge.