Anonymous
09/14/2023 09:06
Subject: Re:Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Anonymous wrote:He's never going to get out of the single digits, so what difference does it make? He has zero chance of even winning the primary, let alone the actual election.
This is the same talking point as Paul Dans for his 2025 plan or whatever out of the Heritage Foundation. It's a plan that begins immediately if Trump is elected.
They will immediately remove feds in any kind of policy making capacity, as they feel they are partisan, and replace them with their own partisan folks they round up at town halls.
Remember how we brushed it off last time....
Anonymous
09/14/2023 09:02
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gotta keep working up the hatred of the Federal workforce.
The workers themselves make it easy. Read some DCUM boards about federal government RTO, salaries, pensions, vacation time, job security, actual working hours, etc.
Of course, there are some federal workers that work hard and make the system work. But, there are a lot of coasters in the system and a lot more than in private industry.
Give me a break. They’re not coasting, they’re drowning. Morale is incredibly low, employees don’t have the support or tools they need to be “successful” nor is that “success” even clearly defined by management at most agencies and certainly not at the very top. Think about what it’s like working at the lower levels of the biggest corporation you know, then multiply that feeling by a million and cut the budget in half. Most private sector employees wouldn’t be able to stand it. They’d faint at the suggestion that they need to buy their own coffee, ffs.
This whole song and dance is very tiresome.
I know-- I was thinking of the poster who complained that his company wouldn't pay for a goodbye party for someone. Meanwhile my agency refused to pay for paper I use to WFH.
We pay for our own drinking water.
I remember the absolute shock when I came from the private sector to working as a Fed. We had to oh for our own water too, AND our offices were rodent infested. There’s not even coffee provided by the office. Even the annual party has to be paid for by the employees. It was like $32 for a paper plate with food from Boston Market.
Do we work at the same place?
Anonymous
09/14/2023 08:53
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Anonymous wrote:That guy is so crazy. If he were to win and implement his vision, we’d all be living in a Mad max situation so federal layoffs would be the least of our worries.
I always wonder with these crazy proposals—if a president were to eliminate the department of ed, who would administer all the programs in laws that are on the books? It’s such a separation of powers problem— I don’t believe in drug safety so I’m just going to eliminate the FDA! I don’t think an executive can de facto nullify a law by abolishing the agency that administers the law.
Most statutes delegate authorities and obligations to a department rather than specific agencies. So I guess he could eliminate FDA, but HHS would just have to do all its work. The end result would be an expensive, drawn out reorg where everyone keeps their jobs, but nothing gets done for 18 months because of bureaucratic hiccups.
Anonymous
09/14/2023 08:44
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Anonymous wrote:Even if you want to burn books and/or arbitrarily kick certain citizens out the country you still need a book burning Agency (with appropriate leadership
0 to develop a policy on what books, where said books are, obtain contractual support to assist the government in burning books, and of course the necessary fuel, transportation, and other logistics....government administration is still needed for whatever policy initiative you want to partake in....everyone always forgets about the administration part.
Right? But when they can’t get their way they’ll blame it on “deep state” actors instead of their own incompetence.
Anonymous
09/14/2023 08:42
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gotta keep working up the hatred of the Federal workforce.
Get paid with taxpayer dollars and give no s**** about actual taxpayers and you get what you get 🤷♀️
DP. I give way more shits about the taxpayer than you do, I guarantee it. I see how they are getting royally duped by mouth breathers on capitol hill who conduct sham “oversight” of federal employees because they can’t manage to do anything else. There’s a reason those people are in the legislature and not the executive. Many of them couldn’t manage their way out of a paper bag. Countdown to shutdown! Talk about a self-own.
Anonymous
09/14/2023 08:21
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Anonymous wrote:Gotta keep working up the hatred of the Federal workforce.
Get paid with taxpayer dollars and give no s**** about actual taxpayers and you get what you get 🤷♀️
Anonymous
09/14/2023 08:17
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Even if you want to burn books and/or arbitrarily kick certain citizens out the country you still need a book burning Agency (with appropriate leadership
0 to develop a policy on what books, where said books are, obtain contractual support to assist the government in burning books, and of course the necessary fuel, transportation, and other logistics....government administration is still needed for whatever policy initiative you want to partake in....everyone always forgets about the administration part.
0 to develop a policy on what books, where said books are, obtain contractual support to assist the government in burning books, and of course the necessary fuel, transportation, and other logistics....government administration is still needed for whatever policy initiative you want to partake in....everyone always forgets about the administration part.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 22:52
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gotta keep working up the hatred of the Federal workforce.
The workers themselves make it easy. Read some DCUM boards about federal government RTO, salaries, pensions, vacation time, job security, actual working hours, etc.
Of course, there are some federal workers that work hard and make the system work. But, there are a lot of coasters in the system and a lot more than in private industry.
I’m not saying this isn’t true, but let’s think about the DCUM audience. Every fed here is a GS13-14-15 or SES or finreg or atty and they’re almost all the hard working ones since they managed to get there. But they get paid less to work in worse conditions than all their private sector peers. So naturally very very few of them will sympathize with the blanket disrespect for feds.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 20:46
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Well that will lose him the DMV vote.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 20:45
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Which is it? Federal employees are indispensable so must return to the office in person, or federal employees are expendable? I can’t keep up.
Neither can I. It seems they are Schrodinger's feds, both indispensable and expendable at the same time.
People who hate feds have no consistency. The same people who call us the "Deep State" (implying an incredible level of competence) also deride feds as lazy and incompetent. Pick one. You can't be both at the same time.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 19:45
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gotta keep working up the hatred of the Federal workforce.
The workers themselves make it easy. Read some DCUM boards about federal government RTO, salaries, pensions, vacation time, job security, actual working hours, etc.
Of course, there are some federal workers that work hard and make the system work. But, there are a lot of coasters in the system and a lot more than in private industry.
Give me a break. They’re not coasting, they’re drowning. Morale is incredibly low, employees don’t have the support or tools they need to be “successful” nor is that “success” even clearly defined by management at most agencies and certainly not at the very top. Think about what it’s like working at the lower levels of the biggest corporation you know, then multiply that feeling by a million and cut the budget in half. Most private sector employees wouldn’t be able to stand it. They’d faint at the suggestion that they need to buy their own coffee, ffs.
This whole song and dance is very tiresome.
I know-- I was thinking of the poster who complained that his company wouldn't pay for a goodbye party for someone. Meanwhile my agency refused to pay for paper I use to WFH.
We pay for our own drinking water.
I remember the absolute shock when I came from the private sector to working as a Fed. We had to oh for our own water too, AND our offices were rodent infested. There’s not even coffee provided by the office. Even the annual party has to be paid for by the employees. It was like $32 for a paper plate with food from Boston Market.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 19:21
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gotta keep working up the hatred of the Federal workforce.
The workers themselves make it easy. Read some DCUM boards about federal government RTO, salaries, pensions, vacation time, job security, actual working hours, etc.
Of course, there are some federal workers that work hard and make the system work. But, there are a lot of coasters in the system and a lot more than in private industry.
Give me a break. They’re not coasting, they’re drowning. Morale is incredibly low, employees don’t have the support or tools they need to be “successful” nor is that “success” even clearly defined by management at most agencies and certainly not at the very top. Think about what it’s like working at the lower levels of the biggest corporation you know, then multiply that feeling by a million and cut the budget in half. Most private sector employees wouldn’t be able to stand it. They’d faint at the suggestion that they need to buy their own coffee, ffs.
This whole song and dance is very tiresome.
I know-- I was thinking of the poster who complained that his company wouldn't pay for a goodbye party for someone. Meanwhile my agency refused to pay for paper I use to WFH.
We pay for our own drinking water.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 19:20
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gotta keep working up the hatred of the Federal workforce.
Hatred is accurate. It’s disgusting.
What's disgusting about the Federal workforce? You'd prefer not to have safe drugs? Get rid of Medicare? Abandon Veterans' health care? Let banks do whatever they want? Get rid of any oversight of nuclear power?
The hatred is disgusting.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 19:14
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gotta keep working up the hatred of the Federal workforce.
The workers themselves make it easy. Read some DCUM boards about federal government RTO, salaries, pensions, vacation time, job security, actual working hours, etc.
Of course, there are some federal workers that work hard and make the system work. But, there are a lot of coasters in the system and a lot more than in private industry.
Give me a break. They’re not coasting, they’re drowning. Morale is incredibly low, employees don’t have the support or tools they need to be “successful” nor is that “success” even clearly defined by management at most agencies and certainly not at the very top. Think about what it’s like working at the lower levels of the biggest corporation you know, then multiply that feeling by a million and cut the budget in half. Most private sector employees wouldn’t be able to stand it. They’d faint at the suggestion that they need to buy their own coffee, ffs.
This whole song and dance is very tiresome.
I know-- I was thinking of the poster who complained that his company wouldn't pay for a goodbye party for someone. Meanwhile my agency refused to pay for paper I use to WFH.
What job works with paper anymore
Anonymous
09/13/2023 18:58
Subject: Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gotta keep working up the hatred of the Federal workforce.
Hatred is accurate. It’s disgusting.
What's disgusting about the Federal workforce? You'd prefer not to have safe drugs? Get rid of Medicare? Abandon Veterans' health care? Let banks do whatever they want? Get rid of any oversight of nuclear power?