Anonymous
09/02/2023 10:09
Subject: woodson principal is retiring
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can you draw a pension from FCPS and a salary from another jurisdiction if you retire with benefits from FCPS and take another job? If so, not sure there’s much you can do about it other than cut the benefits to reduce the incentive to retire.
Very few incentives working for FCPS...sadly
The weird thing is that the teachers’ unions and those who want to defund public education are hard to tell apart now because one person’s whine is another person’s attack.
Anonymous
09/02/2023 10:02
Subject: woodson principal is retiring
All I know is that a roughly 45 year-old principal used the word 'retire' in her resignation letter. Seems ridiculous to me.
Anonymous
09/02/2023 09:57
Subject: woodson principal is retiring
Anonymous wrote:Can you draw a pension from FCPS and a salary from another jurisdiction if you retire with benefits from FCPS and take another job? If so, not sure there’s much you can do about it other than cut the benefits to reduce the incentive to retire.
Very few incentives working for FCPS...sadly
Anonymous
09/02/2023 09:55
Subject: woodson principal is retiring
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is weird. I say something is up. While eligible for retirement, if it was planned, they would have announced in the spring, had the search, and have the new principal ready to slide into the new spot.
Maybe he's tired of all the FCPS BS....it's possible he got a job elsewhere making better money and not dealing with the craziness that is school.
SHE is going to another county where she will make more.
Seriously?
Makes you wonder about the clowns on the School Board who voted themselves 50% raises but can’t find a way to retain staff.
Vote them ALL out.
Seriously. FCPS employees who started in FCPS pre-2000s can receive full retirement from FCPS when they have 25 years of service. To get full retirement from the state, they have to have 30 years of service. That 30 years is based on their highest 3 years of salary. Many FCPS admin are leaving at 25-27 years of service to get their full FCPS retirement and maximize their state retirement. Dr. Floyd is going to a job in a neighboring county.
The retirement benefits changed in 2001, so in a few years this won’t happen as those employees have to do 30 years to get full retirement from FCPS.
The teachers newer to FCPS (circa maybe 2015?) have a crappy plan where they will retire at an older age and this will be a non-issue.
My state changed their pension plan too. But I don't see it mattering much. I don't imagine 90% of those hired after 2010 lasting longer than 10-15 years, if they make it that long.
Anonymous
09/02/2023 09:53
Subject: woodson principal is retiring
Anonymous wrote:Can you draw a pension from FCPS and a salary from another jurisdiction if you retire with benefits from FCPS and take another job? If so, not sure there’s much you can do about it other than cut the benefits to reduce the incentive to retire.
You can draw a pension and work for a private school, a non-school based job, and probably a job out of state.
But, yes, principals do retire mid year, beginning of year, late in the year because they have all the time they need to retire. People are allowed to do what is right for them. I hear a lot about "what about the kids". After 3-4 decades in public education, those folks have spent their lives doing what is best for the kids. At that point, or really ANY point, they are allowed to do what is best for themselves.
Anonymous
09/02/2023 09:18
Subject: Re:woodson principal is retiring
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Greg Hood, Amy Holleb, Tangy Millard, Martin Grimm, Darwin Barker are examples of other principals who have left FCPS within the last 12 months for LCPS or PWCS. Loudoun, Prince William, and DCPS are all neighbors that pay their administrators significantly more. There is no personal financial incentive to work for FCPS.
Those other counties also offer a less whiny tiger parent population and in general serve a wider span of poorer kids. That is a draw for many seasoned educators who have become disillusioned in the privileged environments FCPS is notorious for, along with more pay of course.
Can’t imagine that being around a bunch of less educated kids who are more prone to fighting and attacking teachers and staff is a big draw. Now if you can double dip by drawing a pension from FCPS and a salary from another jurisdiction you might put up with it for a few more years until your kids are out of college.
Anonymous
09/02/2023 08:54
Subject: woodson principal is retiring
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is weird. I say something is up. While eligible for retirement, if it was planned, they would have announced in the spring, had the search, and have the new principal ready to slide into the new spot.
Maybe he's tired of all the FCPS BS....it's possible he got a job elsewhere making better money and not dealing with the craziness that is school.
SHE is going to another county where she will make more.
Seriously?
Makes you wonder about the clowns on the School Board who voted themselves 50% raises but can’t find a way to retain staff.
Vote them ALL out.
Seriously. FCPS employees who started in FCPS pre-2000s can receive full retirement from FCPS when they have 25 years of service. To get full retirement from the state, they have to have 30 years of service. That 30 years is based on their highest 3 years of salary. Many FCPS admin are leaving at 25-27 years of service to get their full FCPS retirement and maximize their state retirement. Dr. Floyd is going to a job in a neighboring county.
The retirement benefits changed in 2001, so in a few years this won’t happen as those employees have to do 30 years to get full retirement from FCPS.
The teachers newer to FCPS (circa maybe 2015?) have a crappy plan where they will retire at an older age and this will be a non-issue.
I think it’s 2002. My husband is 2001 and I think he can retire at 25 and work elsewhere.
Nope. It’s 2000. Anyone hired after July 1, 2000 missed out on the Legacy Plan. That is the plan where you can get your full FCPS retirement after 25 years. As stated above, you can then work elsewhere making more money as long as you’re still in Virginia paying into VRS.
Anonymous
09/02/2023 08:53
Subject: woodson principal is retiring
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can you draw a pension from FCPS and a salary from another jurisdiction if you retire with benefits from FCPS and take another job? If so, not sure there’s much you can do about it other than cut the benefits to reduce the incentive to retire.
Wondering too (crossed my mind).
Double-dipping, isn't it? Different county, but same state.
Yes. There are people doing it now at 25 and there are a few more years before that plan they hired under changes and you have to wait until 30 in FCPS.
New hires have a plan but also a new option to contribute themselves and the more you do, the more FCPS does. Only issue is that to max your contribution from the beginning is a lot of salary taken out for a new teacher.
Anonymous
09/02/2023 08:50
Subject: woodson principal is retiring
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is weird. I say something is up. While eligible for retirement, if it was planned, they would have announced in the spring, had the search, and have the new principal ready to slide into the new spot.
Maybe he's tired of all the FCPS BS....it's possible he got a job elsewhere making better money and not dealing with the craziness that is school.
SHE is going to another county where she will make more.
Seriously?
Makes you wonder about the clowns on the School Board who voted themselves 50% raises but can’t find a way to retain staff.
Vote them ALL out.
Seriously. FCPS employees who started in FCPS pre-2000s can receive full retirement from FCPS when they have 25 years of service. To get full retirement from the state, they have to have 30 years of service. That 30 years is based on their highest 3 years of salary. Many FCPS admin are leaving at 25-27 years of service to get their full FCPS retirement and maximize their state retirement. Dr. Floyd is going to a job in a neighboring county.
The retirement benefits changed in 2001, so in a few years this won’t happen as those employees have to do 30 years to get full retirement from FCPS.
The teachers newer to FCPS (circa maybe 2015?) have a crappy plan where they will retire at an older age and this will be a non-issue.
I think it’s 2002. My husband is 2001 and I think he can retire at 25 and work elsewhere.
Anonymous
09/02/2023 08:47
Subject: woodson principal is retiring
Anonymous wrote:Can you draw a pension from FCPS and a salary from another jurisdiction if you retire with benefits from FCPS and take another job? If so, not sure there’s much you can do about it other than cut the benefits to reduce the incentive to retire.
Wondering too (crossed my mind).
Double-dipping, isn't it? Different county, but same state.
Anonymous
09/02/2023 08:42
Subject: woodson principal is retiring
Anonymous wrote:Can you draw a pension from FCPS and a salary from another jurisdiction if you retire with benefits from FCPS and take another job? If so, not sure there’s much you can do about it other than cut the benefits to reduce the incentive to retire.
Yes. Once you leave FCPS, you can draw from your FCPS pension and still put in years for the Virginia Retirement System. It’s more advantageous to leave FCPS at 25 years and put in 5 more years in a neighboring county that pays more.
Anonymous
09/02/2023 08:29
Subject: woodson principal is retiring
Can you draw a pension from FCPS and a salary from another jurisdiction if you retire with benefits from FCPS and take another job? If so, not sure there’s much you can do about it other than cut the benefits to reduce the incentive to retire.
Anonymous
09/01/2023 23:45
Subject: Re:woodson principal is retiring
Anonymous wrote:Greg Hood, Amy Holleb, Tangy Millard, Martin Grimm, Darwin Barker are examples of other principals who have left FCPS within the last 12 months for LCPS or PWCS. Loudoun, Prince William, and DCPS are all neighbors that pay their administrators significantly more. There is no personal financial incentive to work for FCPS.
Those other counties also offer a less whiny tiger parent population and in general serve a wider span of poorer kids. That is a draw for many seasoned educators who have become disillusioned in the privileged environments FCPS is notorious for, along with more pay of course.
Anonymous
09/01/2023 23:15
Subject: woodson principal is retiring
LBSS principal left for Loudoun too
Anonymous
09/01/2023 16:02
Subject: Re:woodson principal is retiring
Anonymous wrote:Greg Hood, Amy Holleb, Tangy Millard, Martin Grimm, Darwin Barker are examples of other principals who have left FCPS within the last 12 months for LCPS or PWCS. Loudoun, Prince William, and DCPS are all neighbors that pay their administrators significantly more. There is no personal financial incentive to work for FCPS.
Gary Morris to Manassas City Schools as well. I’m sure there are more that are missing from this list. I can also think of some APs that have done the same and left.