Anonymous wrote:You can't practice having kids climb out of windows or run. If you're a teacher in that horrible position of making a choice, part of the consideration might be how you manage 20+ little kids running from a threat. What if one trips and falls? What if one or more run in the wrong direction and end up heading towards danger?

Run-Hide-Fight. Run is the first choice but for purposes of planning and training, practicality has schools preparing for Hide.

You’re not surely suggesting that it’s preferable to sit and hope your students aren’t riddled with the bullets of an AR-15 in your classroom than risk one tripping and falling??

Anonymous wrote:Oh my god. How about we “man up” in this country to the Second Amendment radicals and their enablers, and put some reasonable restrictions on who can buy weapons of mass murder and under what conditions. Some kook shouldn’t be able to assemble an arsenal at Walmart and wipe out a first grade class in one afternoon. Maybe if we started holding the enablers personally liable the message would get through - some things are more important than unfettered access to your toys.

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With our public schools in such a sad state, I can’t believe teachers and schools have to spend time and money preparing for this. Also what a horrible message to send our kids. No wonder so many have bad mental health at this point. We have normalized and accepted mass shootings.

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Anonymous wrote:In Sandy Hook, there were very young children who left the building, escaped and ran to a neighboring house. Very young. They ran after their teacher had gotten shot and somehow they survived.

The neighbor who happened to be home found them and immediately brought them inside. It is discussed in the Sandy Hook documentary. It is not known who told them to run, but they ran as a group. It is an incredible story.

Yes, if you can run, you run

Several groups of young Sandy Hook kids ran, some up to 1/2 a mile away before they stopped.

I tell my kids to run if it’s possible.

https://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Sandy-Hook-children-ran-to-neighbor-s-4136455.php#photo-3921975

I think about this constantly, because we know what happened to the kids barricaded in the bathroom. I have a hard time knowing the right way to explain to very young children a scenario in which they will need to run, and how, without scaring the crap out of them. But I agree it's the right instruction.

This is my question too. My first grader does not (yet) know this is even a thing that happens…do I tell her, and completely terrify/traumatize her, so that I can also pass on this instruction?

I’ve told every teacher I’ve shared a classroom with that in an active shooter situation I’m going out the window and taking the kids. They’ve all emphatically agreed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Sandy Hook, there were very young children who left the building, escaped and ran to a neighboring house. Very young. They ran after their teacher had gotten shot and somehow they survived.

The neighbor who happened to be home found them and immediately brought them inside. It is discussed in the Sandy Hook documentary. It is not known who told them to run, but they ran as a group. It is an incredible story.

Yes, if you can run, you run

Several groups of young Sandy Hook kids ran, some up to 1/2 a mile away before they stopped.

I tell my kids to run if it’s possible.

https://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Sandy-Hook-children-ran-to-neighbor-s-4136455.php#photo-3921975

I think about this constantly, because we know what happened to the kids barricaded in the bathroom. I have a hard time knowing the right way to explain to very young children a scenario in which they will need to run, and how, without scaring the crap out of them. But I agree it's the right instruction.

The group of 1st graders described in the article saw their teacher shot and killed. I have no idea how they weren’t shot too and knew to run out of the building. They ran holding hands and sat in a circle once they stopped in a man’s yard. Instinct is incredible.

Anonymous wrote:In Sandy Hook, there were very young children who left the building, escaped and ran to a neighboring house. Very young. They ran after their teacher had gotten shot and somehow they survived.

The neighbor who happened to be home found them and immediately brought them inside. It is discussed in the Sandy Hook documentary. It is not known who told them to run, but they ran as a group. It is an incredible story.

Yes, if you can run, you run

Forever heartbreaking. It was Jesse Lewis, a 6 year old classmate who yelled to the the kids to run after Lanza shot their teacher. His classmates were able to escape while Lanza was reloading. He fatally shot Jesse.

His mother disclosed that "He yelled, 'Run!' Adam reloaded and shot him in the head," said Scarlett Lewis, who learned details of the events inside the classroom from investigators who gathered accounts from children who survived.

"When I heard he used his last few seconds on earth to try to save his friends, I was not surprised," she said. "I am so incredibly proud of him."
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/newtown-school-shooting/sandy-hook-student-killed-after-telling-classmates-to-run-mom/1937487/

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Anonymous wrote:I have given my child explicit clear permission to leave the school building at any time for their safety regardless of rules/policy/ an adult telling them not to.

That is horrible advice in the case of most emergencies that a student might face during a school day.

For most emergencies yes, for an active shooter running is the best course of action if they have access to a window

If the shooter is inside. Remember how at Stoneman Douglas the killer pulled the fire alarm, so that there would be more potential victims in the halls? Students may not know where the danger is, and you could be sending them towards it, rather than away, and could also alert the shooter as to which rooms have kids.

Tell your kids that the adults want them to be safe, and are on the same side. Actively disobeying the adults, who may have more information, and certainly have more maturity, is not the answer.

Anonymous wrote:When on the ground floor I told my kid to bail out if a window and run to a business that was near the school.
Now she’s on the 3rd floor so can’t escape.
They stay and hide, door locked and window covered.
I work in L/E

At what age did you tell her that school shootings are a thing (if you don’t mind me asking)?

Anonymous wrote:I have given my child explicit clear permission to leave the school building at any time for their safety regardless of rules/policy/ an adult telling them not to.

I have told mine the same and that I will have their back and deal with the consequences later.

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Anonymous wrote:In Sandy Hook, there were very young children who left the building, escaped and ran to a neighboring house. Very young. They ran after their teacher had gotten shot and somehow they survived.

The neighbor who happened to be home found them and immediately brought them inside. It is discussed in the Sandy Hook documentary. It is not known who told them to run, but they ran as a group. It is an incredible story.

Yes, if you can run, you run

Several groups of young Sandy Hook kids ran, some up to 1/2 a mile away before they stopped.

I tell my kids to run if it’s possible.

https://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Sandy-Hook-children-ran-to-neighbor-s-4136455.php#photo-3921975

I think about this constantly, because we know what happened to the kids barricaded in the bathroom. I have a hard time knowing the right way to explain to very young children a scenario in which they will need to run, and how, without scaring the crap out of them. But I agree it's the right instruction.

Anonymous wrote:Who cares if you are allowed???? Everyone that went back in the building during 9/11 died.

I took off and left my Fed agency after the plane hit the Pentagon. I didn't tell anyone me and few co-workers were out of there. AT that point people had false reports it was a bomb and that other Fed buildings would be hit. My husband was in an active shooter situation and they told all the employees to go into the GLASS enclosed conference room--he and a co-worker said F that and left down a back stairway.

In survival situations, trust your instincts. Advice from experts is that if you have a chance to get out...GET THE H*LL OUT.

In our active shooter training they told us to run, hide and fight as a last resort. They also told us to tell our kids to ignore their teachers and run if they are ever in that situation

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Anonymous wrote:In Sandy Hook, there were very young children who left the building, escaped and ran to a neighboring house. Very young. They ran after their teacher had gotten shot and somehow they survived.

The neighbor who happened to be home found them and immediately brought them inside. It is discussed in the Sandy Hook documentary. It is not known who told them to run, but they ran as a group. It is an incredible story.

Yes, if you can run, you run

Several groups of young Sandy Hook kids ran, some up to 1/2 a mile away before they stopped.

I tell my kids to run if it’s possible.

https://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Sandy-Hook-children-ran-to-neighbor-s-4136455.php#photo-3921975

Yes. I remember that. I had a first grade too at that time. I also have always told my kids to run if there is a chance, get out.

Who cares if you are allowed???? Everyone that went back in the building during 9/11 died.

I took off and left my Fed agency after the plane hit the Pentagon. I didn't tell anyone me and few co-workers were out of there. AT that point people had false reports it was a bomb and that other Fed buildings would be hit. My husband was in an active shooter situation and they told all the employees to go into the GLASS enclosed conference room--he and a co-worker said F that and left down a back stairway.

In survival situations, trust your instincts. Advice from experts is that if you have a chance to get out...GET THE H*LL OUT.

Anonymous wrote:In Sandy Hook, there were very young children who left the building, escaped and ran to a neighboring house. Very young. They ran after their teacher had gotten shot and somehow they survived.

The neighbor who happened to be home found them and immediately brought them inside. It is discussed in the Sandy Hook documentary. It is not known who told them to run, but they ran as a group. It is an incredible story.

Yes, if you can run, you run

Several groups of young Sandy Hook kids ran, some up to 1/2 a mile away before they stopped.

I tell my kids to run if it’s possible.

https://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Sandy-Hook-children-ran-to-neighbor-s-4136455.php#photo-3921975

In ACPS we were given ALICE, which distressing to go through gave really practical advice that has stayed with me. (I want to say I did the training like 5 years ago?) They did simulations during teacher training of someone coming in with a Nerf gun and us throwing soft balls at them to show how fighting back and throwing can throw a shooters abilities off. They also stated the importance of announcements being clear and running out of the building if you are far away from the shooter. In a building as large as ACHS knowing someone is in the gym area because everyone towards the other side of the building should be running out. (The only issue there is if you have been in a fire drill those stairs get super busy.)

Moved to Arlington and the training is still to lock down. (Well actually its mentioned but not really more involved training.)

I'm not sure what the right answer is but as a teacher on a lower floor, if given the opportunity I'd be moving out of the building with my students.