Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 13:20     Subject: Re:Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
I had to take a metro bus at night from Tenley circle to what is now Twinbrook metro.

No, it’s is in no way shape or form worse now.

Girls were legally assaulted by prep school boys at parties or sleepovers, where do you think the wisdom of not letting girls sleep over if a boy lives in the house came from?

Shootings/home invasions/car jacking in and around Twinbrook and Lincoln park happened on the regular,

Wheaton… hello? Did you just never go there?

Richard Montgomery had a smoking section for students and there were 20 year olds still going to school.


My brothers 1st day at broom MS, 2 kids fought at lunch and teacher watched until it was over and just walked their bloodied bodies to the nurse.

You have a very bad memory or you were very sheltered.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 13:19     Subject: Re:Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
Anonymous wrote:
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Now do 2022 and 2023.


Like I said, there was an increase during covid, but after that settles down I expect the crime rate to continue to drop.


But it’s not. It’s gone way up.


We are still dealing with fallout from the pandemic. Things will calm down. As I said, "after that settles down I expect the crime rate to continue to drop".
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 13:18     Subject: Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe there was more acts of crime in DC in the 80s and 90s. However, the difference between then and now is that many more areas of the city and the suburbs are less safe.


You're joking, right? There is no way you were here in the 80s and 90s if you actually believe that.

Literally the entire city east of Rock Creek Park is significantly safer now. Columbia Heights, Petworth, Brightwood, Fort Totten, Brookland, Hill East, Logan Circle, Shaw, Bloomingdale, Edgewood, Eckington, NoMa, (which absolutely wasn't called NoMa) Trinidad, H St., Michigan Park, Ivy City were all wastelands full of boarded up and burned out houses, open air drug markets, lacking any sort of retail or restaurants that didn't serve you through bulletproof glass. There is literally no comparison between now and then.

Meanwhile none of the neighborhoods that were safe back then are less safe in any meaningful way.

To say that any of the city and suburbs, much less "many more areas" are less safe than the 80s and 90s is patently and laughably absurd. To write that you would have to have absolutely zero knowledge or awareness of what the area was like back then.


And don’t forget other areas like southwest—had a friend who was carjacked there in the early 90s when it was a lot different.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 13:12     Subject: Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seems way better than when I got year years ago. A little worse after the pandemic but not terrible. I suspect crime will continue the overall trend down.


Trend downward? Uuuuh.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/district-crime-data-glance


Yes if you look at more than 2 years.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 13:08     Subject: Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
Blame the morons who chanted that we need to defund the police. Absolute idiocy.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 13:03     Subject: Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
DC native, and it’s definitely better than it was in the 70s/80s, but worse than it was 10-15 years ago.

And those whose response to the current wave is that anyone who complains is not cut out for city life and should move to the suburbs is just an idiot.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 12:58     Subject: Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
Anonymous wrote:Maybe there was more acts of crime in DC in the 80s and 90s. However, the difference between then and now is that many more areas of the city and the suburbs are less safe.


You're joking, right? There is no way you were here in the 80s and 90s if you actually believe that.

Literally the entire city east of Rock Creek Park is significantly safer now. Columbia Heights, Petworth, Brightwood, Fort Totten, Brookland, Hill East, Logan Circle, Shaw, Bloomingdale, Edgewood, Eckington, NoMa, (which absolutely wasn't called NoMa) Trinidad, H St., Michigan Park, Ivy City were all wastelands full of boarded up and burned out houses, open air drug markets, lacking any sort of retail or restaurants that didn't serve you through bulletproof glass. There is literally no comparison between now and then.

Meanwhile none of the neighborhoods that were safe back then are less safe in any meaningful way.

To say that any of the city and suburbs, much less "many more areas" are less safe than the 80s and 90s is patently and laughably absurd. To write that you would have to have absolutely zero knowledge or awareness of what the area was like back then.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 12:52     Subject: Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe there was more acts of crime in DC in the 80s and 90s. However, the difference between then and now is that many more areas of the city and the suburbs are less safe.


More people feel safe now.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/02/25/police-poll-violence-dc/


The graph is for only city residents. Would agree more of DC is safe now than 30 years ago. But that isn't to say crime isn't recently starting to take off. And in many ways we are comparing apples and oranges re 30 years ago. It's possible to "feel safer" because you have a higher threshold for safety than the population of 30 years ago. Few people in DC today were living here 30 years ago.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 12:50     Subject: Re:Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
Anonymous wrote:
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Now do 2022 and 2023.


Like I said, there was an increase during covid, but after that settles down I expect the crime rate to continue to drop.


But it’s not. It’s gone way up.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 12:42     Subject: Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
I have noticed (MoCo) when these things happen, they are much closer proximity to me than before. Used to be "No where near my house" to only a few miles away nowdays.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 12:37     Subject: Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
Anonymous wrote:Maybe there was more acts of crime in DC in the 80s and 90s. However, the difference between then and now is that many more areas of the city and the suburbs are less safe.


Not sure it's true that "many more areas of the city" are less safe now than they were in the 1980s.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 12:35     Subject: Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
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Anonymous wrote:Things in DC we’re definitely worse in the early 90s. That said post-pandemic the social fabric is fraying a bit.


Were you here then? I was and I disagree in many respects. Crime was less random and did not tend to occur in broad daylight and with witnesses, as it does today. Metro was fairly safe and far more orderly. Flash mob robberies of CVS and grocery stores and a thriving resale market on the street were not common. Undercover policing was active in Adams Morgan, now vice squads do not exist in neighborhoods, Lanier ended them at a safer time. Etc., etc.


DP. I was there. Everyone had bars on their windows, 14th St was for people buying sex services, Adams Morgan was sketchy, there was a riot in Mount Pleasant, and homicides reached a peak of 509 in 1991.


I was here then too. If you weren’t you can’t imagine 14th street then. As a PP said, literally hookers and drug dealers visible everywhere.


Check out the corner of 7th and H Sts. Your memories will come back to life.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 12:35     Subject: Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
Anonymous wrote:Maybe there was more acts of crime in DC in the 80s and 90s. However, the difference between then and now is that many more areas of the city and the suburbs are less safe.


More people feel safe now.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/02/25/police-poll-violence-dc/
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 12:33     Subject: Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
Maybe there was more acts of crime in DC in the 80s and 90s. However, the difference between then and now is that many more areas of the city and the suburbs are less safe.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 12:33     Subject: Longterm dc area residents, have you noticed decline ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Things in DC we’re definitely worse in the early 90s. That said post-pandemic the social fabric is fraying a bit.


Were you here then? I was and I disagree in many respects. Crime was less random and did not tend to occur in broad daylight and with witnesses, as it does today. Metro was fairly safe and far more orderly. Flash mob robberies of CVS and grocery stores and a thriving resale market on the street were not common. Undercover policing was active in Adams Morgan, now vice squads do not exist in neighborhoods, Lanier ended them at a safer time. Etc., etc.


DP. I was there. Everyone had bars on their windows, 14th St was for people buying sex services, Adams Morgan was sketchy, there was a riot in Mount Pleasant, and homicides reached a peak of 509 in 1991.


I was here then too. If you weren’t you can’t imagine 14th street then. As a PP said, literally hookers and drug dealers visible everywhere.