Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:3 out of 4 of the schools in JKLM are still the best in terms of PARCC scores. Key and Janney are in top 5 for both ELA and Math. Ross is too, even though it's not JKLM, so maybe we should change it to JKLR
OP, what makes you think they are not sought after?

Average ELA Score by School (Top 60 Schools)
School Without Walls High School 94.07
Benjamin Banneker High School 88.62
Janney Elementary School 88.19
Ross Elementary School 86.66
Key Elementary School 80.25

Average Math Score by School (Top 60)
Stoddert Elementary School 83.05
Janney Elementary School 81.57
Lafayette Elementary School 81.36
Ross Elementary School 78.33
Key Elementary School 73.88

With exception of magnet high schools at the top, the top scores are simply the richest and whitest schools. When you really break it down at most of the schools, they actually underperform compared to other non-JKLMs. Hint, check out the black student performance at Lafayette.

To add…

Empower makes it very easy to drill it down. When looking at top performance for just White students, the rankings are as follows:

Math:
Payne 92%
Hyde Addison 90%
Maury
Banneker
Tyler
Stoddert
Murch
Eliot Hine
SWW
Van Ness
Brent
Key
Janney
Deal
Bancroft
Jefferson
Sojourner Truth
DC Bilingual
Watkins
Capital City
Oyster Adams
Inspired Teaching
Marie Reed
Shepherd
LT
Eaton
Sela
Stokes
Mundo Verde 8th 75%

ELA
Walls 98%
Latin 95%
Deal
Ross
Payne
Maury
Janney
DC Bilingual
Bancroft
Key
LT
Oyster
Duke Ellington
Lafayette
Hardy
SH
Eaton
Two Rivers
McKinley
Latin Cooper
Stoddert
Jefferson
Walls
Basis
Hyde Addison
Eastern
Latin Middle
Lee
Hearst
Murch 78%
JR
CHM
DCI
ITS
MV
Tyler 75%
Mann 69%

So again…and I’ve said this for years now, there is no “JKLM” those are just the schools that don’t have black and brown at risk kids that muddy their overall scores so their average 79-80% scores look really good overall but when you compare them citywide they are average at best.

These comparisons are a little weird, though — I would certainly hope high schools and middle schools outperform an elementary school on ELA tests, even though I know the scores are comparing like age groups. Am I supposed to be dissatisfied with Janney because its 3rd graders don't score better on reading/writing tests than the sophomores at Walls do on theirs?

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:3 out of 4 of the schools in JKLM are still the best in terms of PARCC scores. Key and Janney are in top 5 for both ELA and Math. Ross is too, even though it's not JKLM, so maybe we should change it to JKLR
OP, what makes you think they are not sought after?

Average ELA Score by School (Top 60 Schools)
School Without Walls High School 94.07
Benjamin Banneker High School 88.62
Janney Elementary School 88.19
Ross Elementary School 86.66
Key Elementary School 80.25

Average Math Score by School (Top 60)
Stoddert Elementary School 83.05
Janney Elementary School 81.57
Lafayette Elementary School 81.36
Ross Elementary School 78.33
Key Elementary School 73.88

With exception of magnet high schools at the top, the top scores are simply the richest and whitest schools. When you really break it down at most of the schools, they actually underperform compared to other non-JKLMs. Hint, check out the black student performance at Lafayette.

To add…

Empower makes it very easy to drill it down. When looking at top performance for just White students, the rankings are as follows:

Math:
Payne 92%
Hyde Addison 90%
Maury
Banneker
Tyler
Stoddert
Murch
Eliot Hine
SWW
Van Ness
Brent
Key
Janney
Deal
Bancroft
Jefferson
Sojourner Truth
DC Bilingual
Watkins
Capital City
Oyster Adams
Inspired Teaching
Marie Reed
Shepherd
LT
Eaton
Sela
Stokes
Mundo Verde 8th 75%

ELA
Walls 98%
Latin 95%
Deal
Ross
Payne
Maury
Janney
DC Bilingual
Bancroft
Key
LT
Oyster
Duke Ellington
Lafayette
Hardy
SH
Eaton
Two Rivers
McKinley
Latin Cooper
Stoddert
Jefferson
Walls
Basis
Hyde Addison
Eastern
Latin Middle
Lee
Hearst
Murch 78%
JR
CHM
DCI
ITS
MV
Tyler 75%
Mann 69%

So again…and I’ve said this for years now, there is no “JKLM” those are just the schools that don’t have black and brown at risk kids that muddy their overall scores so their average 79-80% scores look really good overall but when you compare them citywide they are average at best.

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Anonymous wrote:They are not the best or most sought after schools. There are plenty of other excellent schools, which in some instances rate higher, than those schools - look at the most recent PARCC scores. I don't understand this forum's obsession.

I suspect the forum's obsession with JKLM schools is related to where people who post on here live.

I don't live in JKLM or send my kids there, bit that's just too easy. Those schools are the topic of frequent discussion because they, along with their MS and HS feeders, are the best in DCPS. Parents who strive to provide to their kids the best education are therefore understandably fixated on JKLM.

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Anonymous wrote:3 out of 4 of the schools in JKLM are still the best in terms of PARCC scores. Key and Janney are in top 5 for both ELA and Math. Ross is too, even though it's not JKLM, so maybe we should change it to JKLR
OP, what makes you think they are not sought after?

Average ELA Score by School (Top 60 Schools)
School Without Walls High School 94.07
Benjamin Banneker High School 88.62
Janney Elementary School 88.19
Ross Elementary School 86.66
Key Elementary School 80.25

Average Math Score by School (Top 60)
Stoddert Elementary School 83.05
Janney Elementary School 81.57
Lafayette Elementary School 81.36
Ross Elementary School 78.33
Key Elementary School 73.88

With exception of magnet high schools at the top, the top scores are simply the richest and whitest schools. When you really break it down at most of the schools, they actually underperform compared to other non-JKLMs. Hint, check out the black student performance at Lafayette.

To add…

Empower makes it very easy to drill it down. When looking at top performance for just White students, the rankings are as follows:

Math:
Payne 92%
Hyde Addison 90%
Maury
Banneker
Tyler
Stoddert
Murch
Eliot Hine
SWW
Van Ness
Brent
Key
Janney
Deal
Bancroft
Jefferson
Sojourner Truth
DC Bilingual
Watkins
Capital City
Oyster Adams
Inspired Teaching
Marie Reed
Shepherd
LT
Eaton
Sela
Stokes
Mundo Verde 8th 75%

ELA
Walls 98%
Latin 95%
Deal
Ross
Payne
Maury
Janney
DC Bilingual
Bancroft
Key
LT
Oyster
Duke Ellington
Lafayette
Hardy
SH
Eaton
Two Rivers
McKinley
Latin Cooper
Stoddert
Jefferson
Walls
Basis
Hyde Addison
Eastern
Latin Middle
Lee
Hearst
Murch 78%
JR
CHM
DCI
ITS
MV
Tyler 75%
Mann 69%

So again…and I’ve said this for years now, there is no “JKLM” those are just the schools that don’t have black and brown at risk kids that muddy their overall scores so their average 79-80% scores look really good overall but when you compare them citywide they are average at best.

Gee, that makes sense—just filter out non-white kids.

What are you saying about skin color? Are you that clueless?

And do you realize that there are only a handful of white kids at many of these schools?

You’re not getting it. The point is that rich white students tend to perform well on standardized tests. Thus, when you get a school like Lafayette full of rich quote students of course it’s going to “seem” like a top school based on raw numbers. However, when you compare the white kids at Janney/Lafayette and the white kids a XYZ school in ward 6 and then you compare the black student performance at each school, you will quickly see that Lafayette (or input your favorite JKLM) is not the best school in the city. In fact, it’s not even to 10 when you compare apples to apples.

So I agree with OP, let’s stop saying JKLM because it doesn’t mean anything.

Your point is that white students (who you apparently think are all "rich") do better than Black students so we should rate public schools in DC based on white numbers?

That's dumb.

1) Schools vary widely in racial composition. For example, you mention Banneker. That school has 550 kids, with maybe 20 white kids. So, you are going to measure the school by the PARCC results of 4% of the student body, ignoring the the other 96%? That is ridiculous.

Plenty of Black students do great at Banneker but we should ignore their success because, according to you, only the standardized scores of whites should be considered? No thanks.

2) Asians do better than whites (and Blacks) on standardized tests. Why not rate DC public schools based on Asian numbers? By your logic, it makes even more sense.

For math, just looking at scores for Asians, the top public schools in DC are:

Stoddert
Yu Ying
Hearst
Mann
Marie-Reed
Latin
Murch
J-R

For ELA, just looking at scores for Asians, the top schools are:

Eaton
Stoddert
O-A
J-R
Lafayette
Murch
Mann
Marie-Reed
Murch
Latin
Seaton

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3 out of 4 of the schools in JKLM are still the best in terms of PARCC scores. Key and Janney are in top 5 for both ELA and Math. Ross is too, even though it's not JKLM, so maybe we should change it to JKLR
OP, what makes you think they are not sought after?

Average ELA Score by School (Top 60 Schools)
School Without Walls High School 94.07
Benjamin Banneker High School 88.62
Janney Elementary School 88.19
Ross Elementary School 86.66
Key Elementary School 80.25

Average Math Score by School (Top 60)
Stoddert Elementary School 83.05
Janney Elementary School 81.57
Lafayette Elementary School 81.36
Ross Elementary School 78.33
Key Elementary School 73.88

With exception of magnet high schools at the top, the top scores are simply the richest and whitest schools. When you really break it down at most of the schools, they actually underperform compared to other non-JKLMs. Hint, check out the black student performance at Lafayette.

To add…

Empower makes it very easy to drill it down. When looking at top performance for just White students, the rankings are as follows:

Math:
Payne 92%
Hyde Addison 90%
Maury
Banneker
Tyler
Stoddert
Murch
Eliot Hine
SWW
Van Ness
Brent
Key
Janney
Deal
Bancroft
Jefferson
Sojourner Truth
DC Bilingual
Watkins
Capital City
Oyster Adams
Inspired Teaching
Marie Reed
Shepherd
LT
Eaton
Sela
Stokes
Mundo Verde 8th 75%

ELA
Walls 98%
Latin 95%
Deal
Ross
Payne
Maury
Janney
DC Bilingual
Bancroft
Key
LT
Oyster
Duke Ellington
Lafayette
Hardy
SH
Eaton
Two Rivers
McKinley
Latin Cooper
Stoddert
Jefferson
Walls
Basis
Hyde Addison
Eastern
Latin Middle
Lee
Hearst
Murch 78%
JR
CHM
DCI
ITS
MV
Tyler 75%
Mann 69%

So again…and I’ve said this for years now, there is no “JKLM” those are just the schools that don’t have black and brown at risk kids that muddy their overall scores so their average 79-80% scores look really good overall but when you compare them citywide they are average at best.

Gee, that makes sense—just filter out non-white kids.

What are you saying about skin color? Are you that clueless?

And do you realize that there are only a handful of white kids at many of these schools?

You’re not getting it. The point is that rich white students tend to perform well on standardized tests. Thus, when you get a school like Lafayette full of rich quote students of course it’s going to “seem” like a top school based on raw numbers. However, when you compare the white kids at Janney/Lafayette and the white kids a XYZ school in ward 6 and then you compare the black student performance at each school, you will quickly see that Lafayette (or input your favorite JKLM) is not the best school in the city. In fact, it’s not even to 10 when you compare apples to apples.

So I agree with OP, let’s stop saying JKLM because it doesn’t mean anything.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3 out of 4 of the schools in JKLM are still the best in terms of PARCC scores. Key and Janney are in top 5 for both ELA and Math. Ross is too, even though it's not JKLM, so maybe we should change it to JKLR
OP, what makes you think they are not sought after?

Average ELA Score by School (Top 60 Schools)
School Without Walls High School 94.07
Benjamin Banneker High School 88.62
Janney Elementary School 88.19
Ross Elementary School 86.66
Key Elementary School 80.25

Average Math Score by School (Top 60)
Stoddert Elementary School 83.05
Janney Elementary School 81.57
Lafayette Elementary School 81.36
Ross Elementary School 78.33
Key Elementary School 73.88

With exception of magnet high schools at the top, the top scores are simply the richest and whitest schools. When you really break it down at most of the schools, they actually underperform compared to other non-JKLMs. Hint, check out the black student performance at Lafayette.

To add…

Empower makes it very easy to drill it down. When looking at top performance for just White students, the rankings are as follows:

Math:
Payne 92%
Hyde Addison 90%
Maury
Banneker
Tyler
Stoddert
Murch
Eliot Hine
SWW
Van Ness
Brent
Key
Janney
Deal
Bancroft
Jefferson
Sojourner Truth
DC Bilingual
Watkins
Capital City
Oyster Adams
Inspired Teaching
Marie Reed
Shepherd
LT
Eaton
Sela
Stokes
Mundo Verde 8th 75%

ELA
Walls 98%
Latin 95%
Deal
Ross
Payne
Maury
Janney
DC Bilingual
Bancroft
Key
LT
Oyster
Duke Ellington
Lafayette
Hardy
SH
Eaton
Two Rivers
McKinley
Latin Cooper
Stoddert
Jefferson
Walls
Basis
Hyde Addison
Eastern
Latin Middle
Lee
Hearst
Murch 78%
JR
CHM
DCI
ITS
MV
Tyler 75%
Mann 69%

So again…and I’ve said this for years now, there is no “JKLM” those are just the schools that don’t have black and brown at risk kids that muddy their overall scores so their average 79-80% scores look really good overall but when you compare them citywide they are average at best.

Gee, that makes sense—just filter out non-white kids.

What are you saying about skin color? Are you that clueless?

And do you realize that there are only a handful of white kids at many of these schools?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3 out of 4 of the schools in JKLM are still the best in terms of PARCC scores. Key and Janney are in top 5 for both ELA and Math. Ross is too, even though it's not JKLM, so maybe we should change it to JKLR
OP, what makes you think they are not sought after?

Average ELA Score by School (Top 60 Schools)
School Without Walls High School 94.07
Benjamin Banneker High School 88.62
Janney Elementary School 88.19
Ross Elementary School 86.66
Key Elementary School 80.25

Average Math Score by School (Top 60)
Stoddert Elementary School 83.05
Janney Elementary School 81.57
Lafayette Elementary School 81.36
Ross Elementary School 78.33
Key Elementary School 73.88

I know most parents are not teachers but I used to teach at one of these schools and now teach at a title 1 school. The difference really isn’t the teachers are better or the schools are ran better. The difference is literally the circumstances of families. The truancy and tardy rates are lower at these schools. Less ELL students who need more support, no self contained classrooms, lower rates of students with disabilities who need a higher level of modification, etc.

If 50% of students from one of these schools switched with the highest level of need students from another, let’s see what would happen lol.
I guess I understand but let’s not tell lies that these schools are better, it is mostly the concentration of students with less need and all of these families trying to get to the same MS.

Just my thoughts and IMO it was way easier to teach at my last school, I just had more annoying and busy body parents compared to now (most were lovely 75-80% but my current school 98% are).

Anonymous wrote:3 out of 4 of the schools in JKLM are still the best in terms of PARCC scores. Key and Janney are in top 5 for both ELA and Math. Ross is too, even though it's not JKLM, so maybe we should change it to JKLR
OP, what makes you think they are not sought after?

Average ELA Score by School (Top 60 Schools)
School Without Walls High School 94.07
Benjamin Banneker High School 88.62
Janney Elementary School 88.19
Ross Elementary School 86.66
Key Elementary School 80.25

Average Math Score by School (Top 60)
Stoddert Elementary School 83.05
Janney Elementary School 81.57
Lafayette Elementary School 81.36
Ross Elementary School 78.33
Key Elementary School 73.88

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hearst feeds to Deal still. I think it was excluded because it used to be majority OOB and diverse ... but now the demographics are the same as JKLM.

Demographics are not the same.

Lafayette- 72% white
Janney- 71.9% white
Mann- 65.8% white
Key- 64.3% white
Stoddert- 59.6% white
Murch- 57.6% white
Hearst- 51.8% white

Anonymous wrote:Hearst feeds to Deal still. I think it was excluded because it used to be majority OOB and diverse ... but now the demographics are the same as JKLM.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3 out of 4 of the schools in JKLM are still the best in terms of PARCC scores. Key and Janney are in top 5 for both ELA and Math. Ross is too, even though it's not JKLM, so maybe we should change it to JKLR
OP, what makes you think they are not sought after?

Average ELA Score by School (Top 60 Schools)
School Without Walls High School 94.07
Benjamin Banneker High School 88.62
Janney Elementary School 88.19
Ross Elementary School 86.66
Key Elementary School 80.25

Average Math Score by School (Top 60)
Stoddert Elementary School 83.05
Janney Elementary School 81.57
Lafayette Elementary School 81.36
Ross Elementary School 78.33
Key Elementary School 73.88

With exception of magnet high schools at the top, the top scores are simply the richest and whitest schools. When you really break it down at most of the schools, they actually underperform compared to other non-JKLMs. Hint, check out the black student performance at Lafayette.

To add…

Empower makes it very easy to drill it down. When looking at top performance for just White students, the rankings are as follows:

Math:
Payne 92%
Hyde Addison 90%
Maury
Banneker
Tyler
Stoddert
Murch
Eliot Hine
SWW
Van Ness
Brent
Key
Janney
Deal
Bancroft
Jefferson
Sojourner Truth
DC Bilingual
Watkins
Capital City
Oyster Adams
Inspired Teaching
Marie Reed
Shepherd
LT
Eaton
Sela
Stokes
Mundo Verde 8th 75%

ELA
Walls 98%
Latin 95%
Deal
Ross
Payne
Maury
Janney
DC Bilingual
Bancroft
Key
LT
Oyster
Duke Ellington
Lafayette
Hardy
SH
Eaton
Two Rivers
McKinley
Latin Cooper
Stoddert
Jefferson
Walls
Basis
Hyde Addison
Eastern
Latin Middle
Lee
Hearst
Murch 78%
JR
CHM
DCI
ITS
MV
Tyler 75%
Mann 69%

So again…and I’ve said this for years now, there is no “JKLM” those are just the schools that don’t have black and brown at risk kids that muddy their overall scores so their average 79-80% scores look really good overall but when you compare them citywide they are average at best.