Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:14     Subject: Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GET OUT OF THE WAY. If you're not passing in the left lane and there are people behind you, move over. Why is it so hard? The amount of times you drive and get stuck by someone going slow in the left lane is infuriating. It causes sooooo much traffic when people cannot pass because some moron is going slow in the left lane or is going the same speed as other cars and is creating a wall. Get the heck outta the way. You also cause higher risk for accidents, because now everyone has to weave in an out of traffic to get around your a$$ since you're clogging up the flow of traffic. People around here probably have the lowest driving IQ I've ever seen anywhere in this country. It's worse here than LA, NY, and Chicago. Why are there so many oblivious people around here in the roads? Lack of testing by states and DC?


No! On the beltway the speed limit is generally 65 and traffic is dense. Everyone in the right lane is going 65 and everyone in the left lane is already going 75. And you're the reckless tailgating a$$hat who wants everyone to move over so you can go 100?!


And yet the actual speed limit on the beltway is 55.


Doesn’t matter. The obligation to yield to faster moving traffic is independent of the speed limit. Self-appointed speed limit enforcers in the left lane create dangerous conditions.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:14     Subject: Why are people in this region left lane campers?
This thread is proof 60-70% of drivers on the road in this region shouldn’t have DLs. So many idiots with insane mindsets. They should fine anyone driving in the left lane $5000.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:13     Subject: Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, you are not entitled to a clear road free of traffic. The rest of us are adjusting our speed to other cars: you can too.


The point is that on any highway that's not terribly congested, driving properly (using the left lane for passing only) means that NO ONE needs to adjust their speed to other cars. The "drive in the right lane, pass in the left" takes care of that problem entirely! Everyone can drive at their desired speed!

(It's not Ohioans, I learned to drive there. I blame Maryland.)


I'm all for blaming Maryland when possible, but left lane camping is a Virginia custom. 100%
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:13     Subject: Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:This is frustrating but there is something more frustrating.

When a lane of traffic is blocked in town and people stop way before the closure to try to move over.

This makes the back up so much longer and often messes up the intersection behind you. USE ALL THE SPACE. Proceed to the closure and then zipper into the remaining lane. Yes some people will be jerks about the zipper but two wrongs don’t make a right.


There's so much of this on I-95 right now near Fredericksburg where they are doing a ton of road work. Recently did the drive to/from OBX and everyone was merging waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early. I drove in the impending "closure lane" for like 1.5 miles bypassing a ton of traffic and then zipper merged at the end. Easily shaved 30 minutes off our drive relative to sitting in the massive back-up of traffic.

The issue is that the construction crews put up the lane closure signs 3-4 miles in advance and drivers start freaking out, getting out of the closure lane way too early. Just do the zipper merge, folks.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:12     Subject: Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, you are not entitled to a clear road free of traffic. The rest of us are adjusting our speed to other cars: you can too.


The point is that on any highway that's not terribly congested, driving properly (using the left lane for passing only) means that NO ONE needs to adjust their speed to other cars. The "drive in the right lane, pass in the left" takes care of that problem entirely! Everyone can drive at their desired speed!

(It's not Ohioans, I learned to drive there. I blame Maryland.)


This forum is about the DC area, where the bolded is not true. You almost never have clear open road here. Speeders who pass me will encounter someone new a few car lengths ahead: if that person weren't there I'd probably be going faster already.
If we're talking about rural highway then sure, I agree with you.


Do you never drive outside of rush hour? Of course there are times when we don’t have bumper to bumper traffic.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:12     Subject: Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:When there is traffic in every lane, I'm staying in the fastest lane that is moving. I'm not sitting in slower traffic because you want to go faster and neither is the line of cars in front of me. We all want to move faster than we are, you aren't special


You're not real smart, are you? By camping in the left lane, you're actually keeping people frmo moving faster.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:12     Subject: Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If I'm passing the cars in right lane, I don't care that I'm "only" going 9 miles over the speed limit in the left lane. I'll keep passing on the left until I can get over even if I'm not going as fast as you'd like in the the left (i.e., 20+ miles over the speed limit)


Yes, you are the problem.

No, someone going 9 mph over the speed limit and actually passing cars is not the problem. The problem is when two drivers both essentially want to drive the speed limit, but one is cautious so they want to drive exactly the speed limit or 1 mph slower and the other wants to drive exactly the speed limit or 1 mph over, so that second driver gets in the left lane and then takes 10 minutes to pass the other driver.


If you aren’t passing promptly then you better stay right.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:10     Subject: Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, you are not entitled to a clear road free of traffic. The rest of us are adjusting our speed to other cars: you can too.


The point is that on any highway that's not terribly congested, driving properly (using the left lane for passing only) means that NO ONE needs to adjust their speed to other cars. The "drive in the right lane, pass in the left" takes care of that problem entirely! Everyone can drive at their desired speed!

(It's not Ohioans, I learned to drive there. I blame Maryland.)


This forum is about the DC area, where the bolded is not true. You almost never have clear open road here. Speeders who pass me will encounter someone new a few car lengths ahead: if that person weren't there I'd probably be going faster already.
If we're talking about rural highway then sure, I agree with you.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:09     Subject: Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GET OUT OF THE WAY. If you're not passing in the left lane and there are people behind you, move over. Why is it so hard? The amount of times you drive and get stuck by someone going slow in the left lane is infuriating. It causes sooooo much traffic when people cannot pass because some moron is going slow in the left lane or is going the same speed as other cars and is creating a wall. Get the heck outta the way. You also cause higher risk for accidents, because now everyone has to weave in an out of traffic to get around your a$$ since you're clogging up the flow of traffic. People around here probably have the lowest driving IQ I've ever seen anywhere in this country. It's worse here than LA, NY, and Chicago. Why are there so many oblivious people around here in the roads? Lack of testing by states and DC?


No! On the beltway the speed limit is generally 65 and traffic is dense. Everyone in the right lane is going 65 and everyone in the left lane is already going 75. And you're the reckless tailgating a$$hat who wants everyone to move over so you can go 100?!


And yet the actual speed limit on the beltway is 55.


Here are the hall monitors.

Stay right, pass left.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:09     Subject: Re:Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hmm not sure where you drive where there is room to move into the right lanes . . . .



Half the time if I can't get over, it's because the people racing up behind me go to pass me on the right before I have a chance to get over after I've passed someone.



Because you’re driving in the left lane and are going slow. Have better self awareness around you and look in your rear view mirror. You can always see someone gaining on you. If they are, get out of the damn way.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:08     Subject: Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:I think it’s all the foreign drivers. I don’t think they understand this America custom. Otherwise it’s indignant, idiotic, or self absorbed drivers who don’t care. It’s infuriating.


No way, it's not foreigners. It's lazy-ass American drivers who think they have the "right" to use a public asset however they want, regardless of the negative externalities they impose on other users.

This is literally the American ethos of "can't take away muh freedom / tell me what to do."
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:04     Subject: Re:Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: And I'd be willing to bet that speeding is a far higher cause of driving accidents than left lane drivers.

I think most Americans would bet with you. It may be hard to tangle out the factors, but I'm not as sure as you.



It’s wrong. The biggest predictor for accidents is variance from the speed limit, not speeding. When you clog up lanes and force people to constantly break and change lanes, you cause more accidents. Get out of the way so the flow of traffic can actually flow.

Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:04     Subject: Re:Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:Maybe they learned to drive in the UK ?

I know this is supposed to be a joke, but UK drivers are some of the best drivers in the world (I used to live there and also drove everyday). The main reason is their driver’s license test which is very hard to pass. I remember reading about a woman who took the test 35 times before she passed and got her driver’s license!
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:04     Subject: Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GET OUT OF THE WAY. If you're not passing in the left lane and there are people behind you, move over. Why is it so hard? The amount of times you drive and get stuck by someone going slow in the left lane is infuriating. It causes sooooo much traffic when people cannot pass because some moron is going slow in the left lane or is going the same speed as other cars and is creating a wall. Get the heck outta the way. You also cause higher risk for accidents, because now everyone has to weave in an out of traffic to get around your a$$ since you're clogging up the flow of traffic. People around here probably have the lowest driving IQ I've ever seen anywhere in this country. It's worse here than LA, NY, and Chicago. Why are there so many oblivious people around here in the roads? Lack of testing by states and DC?


No! On the beltway the speed limit is generally 65 and traffic is dense. Everyone in the right lane is going 65 and everyone in the left lane is already going 75. And you're the reckless tailgating a$$hat who wants everyone to move over so you can go 100?!


And yet the actual speed limit on the beltway is 55.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 10:03     Subject: Re:Why are people in this region left lane campers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hmm not sure where you drive where there is room to move into the right lanes . . . .



Half the time if I can't get over, it's because the people racing up behind me go to pass me on the right before I have a chance to get over after I've passed someone.


You should have gotten over right away. Not waiting until someone comes up behind you.


Did you read the bolded? Can you read?


You’re clearly not making much effort to get over quickly if people are frequently passing you on the right.

+1 You can also reduce the likelihood of that happening by using your right turn signal as you’re passing the last vehicle to let the people behind you know that you’re getting out of the way.