Anonymous wrote:my kids are in AAP and have tanked the i-ready for years. It's a seriously flawed test considering that they hit perfect SOL scores and my oldest got a perfect algebra readiness test.

My kid also scores a lot higher on tests like CoGAT than i-ready. He says if he finishes i-ready early they let him play games, so he rushes.

Anonymous wrote:There are 3,900,000 fifth graders in the country.

Scoring above 99th percentile, there are at most 39,000.

Fairfax County has 10,000 fifth graders. They represent 0.25% of the fifth graders in the country.

The rest of the country, as much as it pains some of you to admit it, isn't full of dullards and imbeciles.

If Fairfax County had hundreds of students scoring 40 points above the 99th percentile, so would the other hundreds of other counties in the 49 other states. You can not be so obtuse to not see this.

Seriously. Literally no one suggested that the rest of the country is full of dullards, and that FCPS has an absurd share of gifted kids. Also, literally no one has suggested that there are "hundreds of students scoring 40 points above the 99th percentile." The claim was 50-100 kids scoring 30-40 points over the 99th percentile.

Iready, like almost all nationally normed tests, likely does not include an affluent, tiger mom area with large numbers of kids in enrichment programs in their norming group. Across the country, there would likely be many more than 1% of the kids scoring above the 99th percentile. This same phenomenon occurs with CogAT and NNAT. There's a reason that over 10% of FCPS kids score in the top 2% of the nationally normed CogAT, and it does not mean that FCPS kids are just that smart. Every single other affluent, educated area with motivated parents sees absurdly many kids scoring 132+ on the CogAT. The norming is not accurate at the high ends.

There are 3,900,000 fifth graders in the country.

Scoring above 99th percentile, there are at most 39,000.

Fairfax County has 10,000 fifth graders. They represent 0.25% of the fifth graders in the country.

The rest of the country, as much as it pains some of you to admit it, isn't full of dullards and imbeciles.

If Fairfax County had hundreds of students scoring 40 points above the 99th percentile, so would the other hundreds of other counties in the 49 other states. You can not be so obtuse to not see this.

Anonymous wrote:OMG...I've been reading this thread thinking that clearly some parents can not be so oblivious to how nationally normed tests work.

Fairfax County with their advanced Chinese-taking AAP kids statistically are not home to the top 20% of high stat kids in the entire freaking country. Stop. Stop. Stop.

As for the parent whose kid tested 100 points above the I-ready 99th percentile...sorry, but impossible. Guess you didn't know that the I-ready adaptive cap module doesn't allow for that.

Curlous a

Odd. I just checked my kid's score report, and it was 560 in the fall of 2nd grade for math. I guess he doesn't exist, since you think it's somehow "impossible". I'll trust my kid's actual score report over your opinion.

I have no idea why you keep repeating the idea that anyone is claiming that FCPS has 20% of the high stat kids in the country. Someone (you?) had some really dubious projections about how many kids would be 30 points above the 99th percentile. The reality is that kids who are hyperaccelerated in math will score absurdly high relative to grade level. Iready is an achievement test. It is not an aptitude test. Knowing math several years beyond your grade level will lead to very high scores. It doesn't mean that the kid is 99th percentile in intelligence or aptitude. A kid who is in the 90th percentile aptitude wise, but is attending cram school and is hyperaccelerated in math will likely outscore the kid in the 99.9th percentile in aptitude, but who has only been exposed to grade level math.

OMG...I've been reading this thread thinking that clearly some parents can not be so oblivious to how nationally normed tests work.

Fairfax County with their advanced Chinese-taking AAP kids statistically are not home to the top 20% of high stat kids in the entire freaking country. Stop. Stop. Stop.

As for the parent whose kid tested 100 points above the I-ready 99th percentile...sorry, but impossible. Guess you didn't know that the I-ready adaptive cap module doesn't allow for that.

Curlous a

Anonymous wrote:How is this test normed that over half of fcps students are supposedly over 90th percentile?

They aren't. That poster is incorrect, unless they're talking about an AAP class.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this test normed that over half of fcps students are supposedly over 90th percentile?

Because half of Fairfax parents are delusional. We had one parent claim that 100 kids are scoring 40 points above the 99th percentile with a handful scoring a 100 points above the 99th percentile...

My kid literally did score 100 points above the 99th percentile on every single iready sitting. While he is an outlier, I would imagine that 1 or 2 other kids in the county would be equally advanced.

Anonymous wrote:We have now devolved into deluding ourselves into believing that Fairfax County possesses the brightest top 20% of the entire country. This board has become nutso. Do some of you even understand what you are saying?

Yes, we understand what we're saying, but clearly you don't. Iready is not an intelligence or aptitude test. It's an achievement test. The 5th grade test is normed using a regular group of 5th grade kids. It is not being normed with 5th graders who are taking algebra or higher in Chinese school or AoPS. There will be way more kids than mathematically expected scoring in the 99th percentile or far above it, since there are a lot of kids who are hyperaccelerated outside of school. It's akin to the NNAT, which is normed using unprepped kids, and which has entirely too many kids scoring in the 99th percentile due to prepping. To answer your earlier question, the 99th percentile is not truly the 99th percentile. It's just the 99th percentile of the norming group and is not especially representative of the affluent, motivated areas with so many kids in math enrichment/acceleration.

The math questions at the higher end are not tricky problem solving type questions that would show special intelligence or aptitude. They're problems that either the kid has been exposed to and understands, or ones where the kid has no clue what they're talking about. It doesn't take special insight for a mid elementary aged kid to understand a box plot, for example. They just need to have seen it before and know what it is. A 5th grader taking Algebra in outside enrichment with a score exactly 30 points above the 99th percentile would be in the 98th percentile for 7th graders and the 75th for 8th graders. This does not at all seem unreasonable to me, since it would be more closely comparing the kid to other kids in the same math level and with the same math exposure.

Anonymous wrote:How is this test normed that over half of fcps students are supposedly over 90th percentile?

Because half of Fairfax parents are delusional. We had one parent claim that 100 kids are scoring 40 points above the 99th percentile with a handful scoring a 100 points above the 99th percentile...

I think it is valid screener - of my kids, the one who scores poorly definitely has reading issues.

How is this test normed that over half of fcps students are supposedly over 90th percentile?

Anonymous wrote:Raise your hand if your kid scored 30 points higher than the Iready 99th percentile?

Mine did, but I already raised my hand. He scored well over 30 points above the 99th percentile. He is also the kid whose reading iReady dropped from a 99th percentile to the 71st. He has 4’s in both subjects, He had one 3 in writing last year, and passes advanced on the SOL every year.

I would have more faith in the reading score if his area of weakness remained the same but it changes every test. He meets expectations in all but one category and that category shifts with every test. So either he is forgetting his vocabulary for one test or guessing better every other time he takes it.

The math is easier for me to believe because math has a correct answer and process. I also know that he enjoys math competitions and participates on a math team so I know that he practices math more then the average kid. He scores in the 95th - 99th percentile in the competitions. He is just good at math and enjoys the subject far more then most kids do.

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Anonymous wrote:Iready is a valid test. Those whose children score poorly on it will naturally discount it. The kid didn't try, wanted to go to recess, etc. You'll see the excuses come out for the non-motivated students. That provides insight into the academic and emotional iq of that child. Some children are bright, very few are exceptional. Like very few.

Teacher here. It is not a valid test for above average kids. With kids with severe gaps then yes. It is meant to be a screener. Which is why I don’t understand why they need to take it more than once.

This right here. My kid is in AAP and already scored high on the iReady and SOL a million times. Testing stresses her out because she such a high achiever. Why is she taking iReady again? Makes me grouchy.

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Anonymous wrote:Iready is a valid test. Those whose children score poorly on it will naturally discount it. The kid didn't try, wanted to go to recess, etc. You'll see the excuses come out for the non-motivated students. That provides insight into the academic and emotional iq of that child. Some children are bright, very few are exceptional. Like very few.

Teacher here. It is not a valid test for above average kids. With kids with severe gaps then yes. It is meant to be a screener. Which is why I don’t understand why they need to take it more than once.

Keep telling yourself that. Might want to google some of the studies that collide with your opinion.

It correlates to the NY State assessments.
It correlates to SBAC.
It even correlates to the SAT.

It's not like there are more research studies done on this test than you can count on the toes of all the Fairfax kids scoring 30 points above the 99th percentile.

Every year we see the same thing. Precious little snowflake doesn't stand out on the Iready test. So test bad, snowflake mommy relieved when the mediocrity brigade charges in.

Anonymous wrote:Iready is a valid test. Those whose children score poorly on it will naturally discount it. The kid didn't try, wanted to go to recess, etc. You'll see the excuses come out for the non-motivated students. That provides insight into the academic and emotional iq of that child. Some children are bright, very few are exceptional. Like very few.

Teacher here. It is not a valid test for above average kids. With kids with severe gaps then yes. It is meant to be a screener. Which is why I don’t understand why they need to take it more than once.