Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 15:28     Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:there’s a tribe identity for Jeep, Subaru, and Volkswagen that people really want to join in on as part of the way they see themselves. jeep is obviously cashing in on that and of course the wagoneer nostalgia and minivan avoidance syndrome which I totally get. I’m not sure it’s that different than the new vw van hype.

I’m a Toyota minivan mom - three kids - love the hybrid mileage, service and reliability. But we all brand identify somehow!


No, actually, we don't. Some of us just buy cars based on price, safety ratings, and availability. I always buy used and while I do have some brand loyalty based on bad experiences with cars in the past (I'll never buy another Ford after a station wagon that had constant problems that required dealer visits) but it's not being a certain kind of person.

I think the tendency to self-identify with car brands on a personal level is a bit weird. I mostly view cars as a way to get from point A to point B. I don't need my car to say anything about me.
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 15:24     Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.


Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.



That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.


+1, all the big families I know just get mini vans. Loading little kids into a suburban or similar is actually a pain. I also know people who often have to drive large groups (i.e. church groups) and they get regular vans (not mini) -- they would never get SUVs, which are hard for older people with mobility issues to climb in and out of. Station wagons are great for smaller families and lots of service people -- a friend of mine runs an in-home care company and they have a bunch of Subaru Imprezas for their staff that are perfect for transporting gear for home visits. Contractors, construction workers, others who have to tow a lot of tools and gear are better off with an actual truck.

SUVs, but especially the big ones like the Wagoneer, exist for a customer who simply wants to occupy more space. They want a mobile living room, complete with TVs, and to sit above everyone else on the road and to feel impervious. It has nothing to do with practicality or needing a large vehicle to transport people. It's all selfish desires.
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 14:25     Subject: Re:Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I drive one because I love big cars, don’t want electric and have 4 kids that I drive. So by having 4 kids I’m already wasting the planet’s resources so why not double down? Some people care about different things.


I can’t tell if this is a joke, but this is exactly how I view people like you. Selfish jerk.


Not a joke. We probably wouldn’t be friends anyway so judge away.
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 14:23     Subject: Re:Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:I drive one because I love big cars, don’t want electric and have 4 kids that I drive. So by having 4 kids I’m already wasting the planet’s resources so why not double down? Some people care about different things.


I can’t tell if this is a joke, but this is exactly how I view people like you. Selfish jerk.
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 14:13     Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
there’s a tribe identity for Jeep, Subaru, and Volkswagen that people really want to join in on as part of the way they see themselves. jeep is obviously cashing in on that and of course the wagoneer nostalgia and minivan avoidance syndrome which I totally get. I’m not sure it’s that different than the new vw van hype.

I’m a Toyota minivan mom - three kids - love the hybrid mileage, service and reliability. But we all brand identify somehow!
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 14:00     Subject: Re:Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Broncos are the worst and a man should never drive a powder blue Bronco. I said what I said.


At least these men didn’t spend $100k on a Bronco.


Right, they spends $200-$300k. look it up.
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 13:59     Subject: Re:Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
I drive one because I love big cars, don’t want electric and have 4 kids that I drive. So by having 4 kids I’m already wasting the planet’s resources so why not double down? Some people care about different things.
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 13:58     Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
My bet is not a white person unless it's one of the blonde Bethesda Moms 🤣
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 13:54     Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:Looks like an obese Jeep Cherokee.


LOL
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 13:48     Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I don't like large cars of any brand. They always look ugly.

But it's really hard to find a small luxury vehicle.



We all should be driving electric cars. No one should buy that beast of a gas guzzling car. Or any gas-powered car.
Buy electric cars, or none at all.
Our planet is becoming uninhabitable. Floods, fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, mudslides -- all are becoming more severe and more devastating. Did you lose your power last week? If you don't have a generator, better get one.
We must end our dependence on fossil fuels yesterday, or today at the very latest.
If you've got $100K to spend on a car, buy an electric vehicle. Please.


No way could our grid support everyone buying electric cars right now.

I do recommend hybrids and plug-in hybrids.
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 13:46     Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I don't like large cars of any brand. They always look ugly.

But it's really hard to find a small luxury vehicle.



What? No it isn’t.


Then please help me out, PP! What do you recommend?


Nice NP. What kind of car are you looking for?

With no input, might I suggest a Lexus NX plug-in hybrid?
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 13:34     Subject: Re:Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:The Broncos are the worst and a man should never drive a powder blue Bronco. I said what I said.


Stunning and brave.
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 13:33     Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I don't like large cars of any brand. They always look ugly.

But it's really hard to find a small luxury vehicle.



We all should be driving electric cars. No one should buy that beast of a gas guzzling car. Or any gas-powered car.
Buy electric cars, or none at all.
Our planet is becoming uninhabitable. Floods, fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, mudslides -- all are becoming more severe and more devastating. Did you lose your power last week? If you don't have a generator, better get one.
We must end our dependence on fossil fuels yesterday, or today at the very latest.
If you've got $100K to spend on a car, buy an electric vehicle. Please.


It’s amazing how much blind faith there is in “peer reviewed” modeling after the early days of COVID had many different academic models showing insane levels of death.

Models are only as good as the assumptions that are input. The more assumptions, the more uncertainty.

We know climate change is bad, we know it’s happening. But all of the doomsday predictions are based on models that are basically really fancy guesses. We know the sea level will rise and glaciers will go away. Beyond that, there are a multitude of possibilities. Saying last weeks storms had anything to do with climate change is absolutely bonkers.

And, even those models will show you that even with totally unrealistic reductions in carbon emissions in the US, as China and India industrialize further, they’re going to drive emissions so far beyond the breaking point that we need to be looking at mitigation and not avoidance.
Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 13:26     Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.


Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.



That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.


The density of large vehicles in cities is far less than in the suburbs, exurbs, and rural areas. I know because I’m in all 4 routinely.

The Wagoneer competes with the Lexus570/Land Cruiser, FJ Cruiser, Sequoia, Defender set. They are niche, high priced products with vintage appeal. They don’t belong in the city. I have a late model Land Cruiser that stays in the country full time. I see some Defenders in Georgetown (the smallest of my list). But I rarely see the others in the city. I also rarely see Tahoes and Suburbans in the city.

But, there are a ton of people who use the capacity of minivan but don’t want a minivan. The Tahoe/Suburban makes a lot of sense for families with 2-3 kids in multiple activities that may also go camping, or drive cub scouts around etc. most other SUVs you can either carry stuff or you can carry people… you can’t carry both.

Just because that’s not your lifestyle doesn’t make it “bad”. I know a ton of people who use the size of their large SUVs… just bc you see them at target doesn’t mean they don’t drive to a lake with all their fishing gear, a cooler on their hitch shelf, and 5 people to go fishing for a weekend. They may drive a car pool to school 3 days a week.



It actually does make it bad. Denying it doesn’t change that.


It’s time to go back to 6th grade and sort statements between opinion and fact.

Anonymous
Post 08/12/2023 11:46     Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I don't like large cars of any brand. They always look ugly.

But it's really hard to find a small luxury vehicle.



What? No it isn’t.


Then please help me out, PP! What do you recommend?