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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting since this book seems to disprove that.

https://www.amazon.com/Our-Kids-American-Dream-Crisis/dp/1476769907/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1J3PN0HOGDN4C&keywords=our+kids+the+american+dream+in+crisis&qid=1691713856&sprefix=our+kids%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-1


Social mobility is very low in Ohio.

Ohio is NOT the Upper Midwest 🙄

Ohio is a mid-Atlantic state

dp.. how can OH be mid Atlantic when it doesn't border the Atlantic? OH is the midwest, maybe not upper MW, but it is MW.

Anonymous wrote:It probably is unpopular to say this but there's a big overlap between cultural homogeneity and high levels of social trust and willingness to share together for the common good. Diverse areas have incredibly low levels of social trust and people don't and refuse to think in terms of the common good. When I speak homogenous, I do not mean white versus everyone else. But a dominant culture. Japan is a perfect example. Bhutan is another one. Various European countries are great examples, although other European countries are also struggling with declining social trust and faith in a common shared good emerging with growing diversity.

I'm just being pragmatic about it. I know enough of history that there is definitely truth to it.

? Is that why 90%+ WV is doing so well? There are a lot of mostly white towns that aren't doing so well.

The reason why there isn't as much inequality in places like Japan is because they are about the whole rather than the individual. In the US, it's all about "me me me" and individual rights, and "that's not my problem".

CEOs in the US earn a much higher rate to the workers compared to CEOs in other countries, including Japan and those in Europe.

The US is a great place to earn a lot of money. It sucks when it comes to income equality.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe you should look at the map of the index they actually developed: https://tableau.dsc.umich.edu/t/UM-Public/views/IndexofDeepDisadvantage/CountiesCitiesMap?%3Aiid=4&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y

All your wealthy suburbs are "advantaged" communities. Most of your urban areas are not.

These findings are hardly shocking.

I actually thought the most interesting thing about this article is that the authors are shocked and surprised over and over again when they confirm widely accepted conceptions and narratives about poverty and social mobility.

Anonymous wrote:Interesting since this book seems to disprove that.

https://www.amazon.com/Our-Kids-American-Dream-Crisis/dp/1476769907/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1J3PN0HOGDN4C&keywords=our+kids+the+american+dream+in+crisis&qid=1691713856&sprefix=our+kids%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-1


Social mobility is very low in Ohio.

Um, Ohio is not in the upper Midwest so we aren't talking about Ohio LOL

Anonymous wrote:It’s a place for people who don’t require much from the world. They are happier with less. Doesn’t make them less, it is just a difference. I come from there. I wouldn’t go back for all the money in the world. Who wants to live longer in Iowa?

Maybe not in Iowa but I live in Minneapolis and feel it has everything I would need or want: lots of good jobs, affordable housing, great schools, great quality of life, overall well educated intelligent people. For those saying it's all white people, Minneapolis is 60% white so greater percentage white than DC (which I think is about 30% white?) but similar to many other major American cities (Portland, OR and Seattle, WA both have greater percentages of white people than Minneapolis does...other Midwestern cities also have large non-white populations: Milwaukee, Detroit, Chicago, to name a few) I have lived in DC and I have lived in several major cities on the west coast and I have lived abroad. I love aspects of every place I've lived but would prefer Minneapolis to all the other places when it comes to raising a family and settling down here long term.

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Anonymous wrote:Should rename the article 'Best places in America for white people'.

More like white people who like the cold and don’t like mountains.

You know most of the people who live in the midwest (or anywhere, for that matter) live there because they were born there. It's not like they chose to live there based on its climate/geography. It's a lot harder to move away from a place and start your life over somewhere else so even if someone hates the climate/geography of their hometown/home region, they are not that likely to leave it.

Anonymous wrote:Sounds wonderful and makes sense. I wish not every discussion defaulted to race. Like really NOtHInG else matters?!
It’s crazy making and enough to turn someone into a racist.

you are obviously white. My sister's family moved to a *very* white area, and their kids had a hard time being the only. After a few years they moved to an area that had way more Asian Americans, and it was so much better for everyone.

I also like diversity, and need diverse ethnic foods. So yea, diversity matters.

Maybe you should look at the map of the index they actually developed: https://tableau.dsc.umich.edu/t/UM-Public/views/IndexofDeepDisadvantage/CountiesCitiesMap?%3Aiid=4&%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&%3Aembed=y

All your wealthy suburbs are "advantaged" communities. Most of your urban areas are not.

These findings are hardly shocking.

Anonymous wrote:Sounds wonderful and makes sense. I wish not every discussion defaulted to race. Like really NOtHInG else matters?!
It’s crazy making and enough to turn someone into a racist.

Nope.

Is it really surprising that there is more social mobility in Omaha than Manhattan?

This just seems obvious to me.

Anonymous wrote:It probably is unpopular to say this but there's a big overlap between cultural homogeneity and high levels of social trust and willingness to share together for the common good. Diverse areas have incredibly low levels of social trust and people don't and refuse to think in terms of the common good. When I speak homogenous, I do not mean white versus everyone else. But a dominant culture. Japan is a perfect example. Bhutan is another one. Various European countries are great examples, although other European countries are also struggling with declining social trust and faith in a common shared good emerging with growing diversity.

I'm just being pragmatic about it. I know enough of history that there is definitely truth to it.

People are tribal. No shit.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting since this book seems to disprove that.

https://www.amazon.com/Our-Kids-American-Dream-Crisis/dp/1476769907/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1J3PN0HOGDN4C&keywords=our+kids+the+american+dream+in+crisis&qid=1691713856&sprefix=our+kids%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-1


Social mobility is very low in Ohio.

Ohio is NOT the Upper Midwest 🙄

Ohio is a mid-Atlantic state

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Anonymous wrote:These are some of the whitest places in the whole country, so of course there are fewer people being held back unfairly.

This degree of racial essentialism is just sad. Racial discourse in this country has truly broken you. Note that the study isn't listing the whitest states (ME, VT, WV, NH, MT, etc), but states which inhabit a common geographic region and possess similar economic and cultural attributes. But since these states have a white majority, everything which makes those states uniquely successful is discarded in favor of race. And again, the Upper Midwest is not unique in terms of demographics. That almost sounds like an argument a white supremacist would make—the more whites there are the better things will be.

Every state in the nation has a white majority.

PP obviously didn’t read the article, though. Pretty typical of a keyboard warrior // usually wrong but rarely in doubt.