Anonymous
08/08/2023 15:41
Subject: Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
Anonymous wrote:Nursing
Umm it depends. Hospital nursing can allow for a flexible schedule. But a lot of hospitals are very toxic and not supportive at all. And many have punitive call out policies, which makes it hard as a mom. And don’t get me started on how terrible some nurses can be towards each other.
Anonymous
08/08/2023 15:21
Subject: Re:Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought that the message from the Barbie movie was interesting. The barbies ultimately didn't like the patriarchy but were invested in continuing the matriarchy and in keeping the kens second-class citizens. For me, the outcome wasn't empowering or supportive but more along the lines of humans in a group will step on another group when possible, regardless if they are female or male.
No..by the end Barbie changes her attitude toward Ken and apologizes.
Barbie, or one of the barbies, said that in time, maybe the kens may have as much say in their world as women do in the real world. Maybe.
Then Barbie left and excitedly went to the ob/gyn.
Anonymous
08/07/2023 23:03
Subject: Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
I’m in finance and I feel this. Used to work in a “pink collar” profession and didn’t. My theory is that, because we are in a male dominated field, we band together and there is a very genuine sense of camaraderie and loyalty among us.
Anonymous
08/07/2023 22:56
Subject: Re:Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
Anonymous wrote:I thought that the message from the Barbie movie was interesting. The barbies ultimately didn't like the patriarchy but were invested in continuing the matriarchy and in keeping the kens second-class citizens. For me, the outcome wasn't empowering or supportive but more along the lines of humans in a group will step on another group when possible, regardless if they are female or male.
No..by the end Barbie changes her attitude toward Ken and apologizes.
Anonymous
08/07/2023 22:55
Subject: Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
All the librarians I know seem pretty satisfied with their (female dominated) work environment. All the complaints are about their managerial board members (often the male ones), the pay, or occasionally members of the public. Personally I’m in tech and have always been in a gender minority at work but have been lucky enough to always be at very supportive companies. Never had a female boss though I have worked across teams with senior women who were pretty awesome. I really think a lot of it is the specific organization rather than industry.
Anonymous
08/07/2023 22:31
Subject: Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I joined Women in Government Relations (WGR) 35 years ago. I found women lobbyists to be very supportive of each other.
Me too!! Only I joined 25 years ago
Nice!
Anonymous
08/07/2023 22:14
Subject: Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist so as you can imagine it's a pretty supportive question environment.
Wonder if your admin staff would say the same thing? At the counseling business I work, one of the program directors & the owner, both female, are the worst people I've ever worked with. Considering quitting only because of how demanding, confrontational, and inconsiderate they are.
We don't have admin staff.
Anonymous
08/07/2023 19:06
Subject: Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
I’m a federal attorney and work with a lot of women (largely moms) who are here for the work/life balance. It’s a pretty supportive group.
Anonymous
08/07/2023 19:03
Subject: Re:Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought that the message from the Barbie movie was interesting. The barbies ultimately didn't like the patriarchy but were invested in continuing the matriarchy and in keeping the kens second-class citizens. For me, the outcome wasn't empowering or supportive but more along the lines of humans in a group will step on another group when possible, regardless if they are female or male.
Spot on!
I think you all are missing it. What the Barbies did at the end mirrors what men have done in the real world. You can hold lower level positions of power, but only a few of them and never the top one.
It wasn’t espousing that this is the best or right way to move forward.
Anonymous
08/07/2023 19:03
Subject: Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, because women inherently do not support each other. They compete with each other. Over everything. You are looking for a unicorn.
That hasn't been my experience. I've worked in three different industries - law, nonprofits, journalism - and I haven't found a categorical difference between how women and men treat each other. My two favorite bosses were women - and I had one who was so toxic that she's the subject of a lawsuit. My most toxic boss was a guy who was so bad I had nightmares about him for two years after I quit that job. I've had somewhat terrible male coworkers and bosses, and some I really liked.
Anyway, casual sexism is fun!
Interesting -- I've worked in law, nonprofit sector and publishing/journalism as well. My female supervisors were either bullies or super supportive. One woman bullied me relentlessly for no damn reason until another woman joined our section and the meanness was transferred to her. Most of my male supervisors ignored me and had to be hit on the head to recognize my worth -- they eventually did though, results don't lie.
Anonymous
08/07/2023 18:45
Subject: Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
Anonymous wrote:No, because women inherently do not support each other. They compete with each other. Over everything. You are looking for a unicorn.
That hasn't been my experience. I've worked in three different industries - law, nonprofits, journalism - and I haven't found a categorical difference between how women and men treat each other. My two favorite bosses were women - and I had one who was so toxic that she's the subject of a lawsuit. My most toxic boss was a guy who was so bad I had nightmares about him for two years after I quit that job. I've had somewhat terrible male coworkers and bosses, and some I really liked.
Anyway, casual sexism is fun!
Anonymous
08/07/2023 18:37
Subject: Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
Anonymous wrote:I joined Women in Government Relations (WGR) 35 years ago. I found women lobbyists to be very supportive of each other.
Me too!! Only I joined 25 years ago
Anonymous
08/07/2023 18:33
Subject: Re:Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
Anonymous wrote:In 2002, the ensemble case of the tv sitcom Friends negotiated their salaries together. There wasn't anyone in the cast who tried to outshine the other. They successfully negotiated a historic $1 million per episode or $22 million per season. David Schwimmer and Jennifer Aniston took a loss to negotiate their pay with their costars.
You can look it up OP. Research shows that workplaces with a better balance between men and women offer better pay and benefits to everyone. Workplaces that are skewed toward one gender, whether men or women, are places where bullying is most likely to occur. The bullying victims or targets are usually women because women are in the lower ranking positions in both male dominated and female dominated fields.
Also, workplaces where the stakes and the pay are so low, like academia, government, teaching, nursing, are also places where bullying takes place.
Add architecture to this list!
Anonymous
08/07/2023 18:14
Subject: Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, because women inherently do not support each other. They compete with each other. Over everything. You are looking for a unicorn.
And why is that?
Because women aren’t typically high ranking / decision makers, they have to split a small scope / resource and see each other as competition.
It’s the same with minority, senior officers can be quite hostile toward juniors of the same race.
I was being sarcastic.
Anonymous
08/07/2023 18:13
Subject: Are there any truly supportive industries for women?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No, because women inherently do not support each other. They compete with each other. Over everything. You are looking for a unicorn.
And why is that?
Because women aren’t typically high ranking / decision makers, they have to split a small scope / resource and see each other as competition.
It’s the same with minority, senior officers can be quite hostile toward juniors of the same race.