Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 16:23     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
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Anonymous wrote:As someone who has followed this from the beginning, I didn’t learn anything new. Well except Ziegler’s nail polish.


I did. The sections where Scott Smith and the Ian Prior types knew the perp wasn’t transgender or even gender fluid but persisted in promoting that lie were illuminating.

As was the irony that Smith’s behavior at the school actually impeded the investigation into his daughter’s assault. That is a salient detail.

The article basically says that it is important that this girl was raped by a remote-diagnosed pansexual person and not by a remote-diagnosed "gender fluid" or transsexual person, and that makes Ziegler's and the democratic administration's conduct in this case somehow ok. This reminds me a bit of the 1990's when Clinton liberals explained to us that receiving oral sex doesn't count as adultery, and therefore Clinton didn't lie, and we just don't get the "salient" difference.


But it does matter. A lot. The rapist wasn’t in the bathroom because he was trans, he was in there because he was hooking up with a girl. He then took it too far and raped her.

The Times gets the story right. The conservative movement was stymied because they couldn’t actually point to trans access to bathrooms as a problem because there were no good assault cases to use in the arguments. They jumped on this one immediately because the story about the skirt got out. By the time the truth came out (not trans, students in a prior relationship) it was too late.


I thought the implication was also that LCPS covered up the crime initially because they thought the boy was trans and wanted to avoid criticism for the bathroom policy? Also how is the prior relationship relevant?? The boy was convicted of rape.

I feel like the NYTimes story missed the mark - the question is how did the boy not get intervention earlier and why was he allowed to attend a mainstreamed program after the first rape?
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 16:17     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
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Anonymous wrote:The absolutely most disturbing part of the entire thing was the the boy was enrolled at another school and allowed to roam freely. I’m not sure what the principal of school 2 was told, so maybe it’s not his fault, but someone knew, and sent him to the other school anyway. That’s horrifying.


+1 It’s not at all rare for school districts to move problem students (see also: Virginia Beach). The admins at School 2 definitely knew this kid’s history.


As people have said many, many times: title IX changes under DeVos mean that a student who is *accused* of and charged with sexual assault but not yet convicted has the right to attend school. LCPS had their hands tied by Title IX and it created a scenario where another student was groped. But it was Title IX that allowed him to stay in school as a matter of rights while an investigation was ongoing.


This. You can place some of the blame on the changes DeVos encouraged.


Title 9 had nothing to do with this. You couldn't kick a kid out of school for being accused of something before this. In this country, it is illegal to take school away from a kid.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 16:16     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
Anonymous wrote:Can the school systems assign staff to periodically monitor all restrooms during class periods, like the “lunch ladies” police the cafeteria for bad behavior?

Or if that won’t work, close the restrooms and set up pot-a-potties outside until the students learn to behave themselves in the restrooms!


You can not imagine the fresh hell that would happen with porta potties. I'm sure the schools monitor the bathrooms as much as they can. Do you have any idea how large most of the high schools are around this area?
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 15:13     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
Can the school systems assign staff to periodically monitor all restrooms during class periods, like the “lunch ladies” police the cafeteria for bad behavior?

Or if that won’t work, close the restrooms and set up pot-a-potties outside until the students learn to behave themselves in the restrooms!
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 15:05     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The absolutely most disturbing part of the entire thing was the the boy was enrolled at another school and allowed to roam freely. I’m not sure what the principal of school 2 was told, so maybe it’s not his fault, but someone knew, and sent him to the other school anyway. That’s horrifying.


+1 It’s not at all rare for school districts to move problem students (see also: Virginia Beach). The admins at School 2 definitely knew this kid’s history.


As people have said many, many times: title IX changes under DeVos mean that a student who is *accused* of and charged with sexual assault but not yet convicted has the right to attend school. LCPS had their hands tied by Title IX and it created a scenario where another student was groped. But it was Title IX that allowed him to stay in school as a matter of rights while an investigation was ongoing.


This. You can place some of the blame on the changes DeVos encouraged.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 15:04     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I read some of the article and however you feel about the trans stuff, it's really concerning that a 14 yr old girl and boy would do this kind of stuff in high school. Specifically, I am referring to the part where they communicated with each other to meet in the bathroom and do "stuff" during class. This is the really scary thing because it's not like she was in the bathroom innocently and got accosted randomly by a boy in a skirt. Is this usual behavior? It seems as if this girl probably has some issues herself as did the boy and should have been under close watch.


Yes it’s usual unfortunately. The bathrooms are absolutely the bane of everyone’s existence in high school, the teachers and kids alike. They text or email and plan to meet, get an ehallpass, go to the bathroom, and do drugs or have sex or fight. Teachers aren’t usually in there so they have no supervision there. Some kids at my school literally hang out there most of the day.

-hs teacher


It's not just the bathrooms. At my kid's school in Ashburn there were places near the stair wells that weren't monitored where kids would do everything.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 15:02     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
Anonymous wrote:The absolutely most disturbing part of the entire thing was the the boy was enrolled at another school and allowed to roam freely. I’m not sure what the principal of school 2 was told, so maybe it’s not his fault, but someone knew, and sent him to the other school anyway. That’s horrifying.


Being accused of something does not mean you are thrown out of school. You can not legally deny a kid their access to education. There are laws about this. He had been in a consensual relationship with this girl and everyone knew it.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 12:53     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The absolutely most disturbing part of the entire thing was the the boy was enrolled at another school and allowed to roam freely. I’m not sure what the principal of school 2 was told, so maybe it’s not his fault, but someone knew, and sent him to the other school anyway. That’s horrifying.


+1 It’s not at all rare for school districts to move problem students (see also: Virginia Beach). The admins at School 2 definitely knew this kid’s history.


As people have said many, many times: title IX changes under DeVos mean that a student who is *accused* of and charged with sexual assault but not yet convicted has the right to attend school. LCPS had their hands tied by Title IX and it created a scenario where another student was groped. But it was Title IX that allowed him to stay in school as a matter of rights while an investigation was ongoing.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 12:20     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
Anonymous wrote:The absolutely most disturbing part of the entire thing was the the boy was enrolled at another school and allowed to roam freely. I’m not sure what the principal of school 2 was told, so maybe it’s not his fault, but someone knew, and sent him to the other school anyway. That’s horrifying.


+1 It’s not at all rare for school districts to move problem students (see also: Virginia Beach). The admins at School 2 definitely knew this kid’s history.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 09:58     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
Anonymous wrote:I read some of the article and however you feel about the trans stuff, it's really concerning that a 14 yr old girl and boy would do this kind of stuff in high school. Specifically, I am referring to the part where they communicated with each other to meet in the bathroom and do "stuff" during class. This is the really scary thing because it's not like she was in the bathroom innocently and got accosted randomly by a boy in a skirt. Is this usual behavior? It seems as if this girl probably has some issues herself as did the boy and should have been under close watch.


Yes it’s usual unfortunately. The bathrooms are absolutely the bane of everyone’s existence in high school, the teachers and kids alike. They text or email and plan to meet, get an ehallpass, go to the bathroom, and do drugs or have sex or fight. Teachers aren’t usually in there so they have no supervision there. Some kids at my school literally hang out there most of the day.

-hs teacher
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 08:42     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
I read some of the article and however you feel about the trans stuff, it's really concerning that a 14 yr old girl and boy would do this kind of stuff in high school. Specifically, I am referring to the part where they communicated with each other to meet in the bathroom and do "stuff" during class. This is the really scary thing because it's not like she was in the bathroom innocently and got accosted randomly by a boy in a skirt. Is this usual behavior? It seems as if this girl probably has some issues herself as did the boy and should have been under close watch.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 08:17     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
If Ziegler didn't just flat out lie during the school board hearing, none of this would have ever gotten that momentum to make it a national story
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 08:12     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
This article is extremely long.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2023 07:41     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
The absolutely most disturbing part of the entire thing was the the boy was enrolled at another school and allowed to roam freely. I’m not sure what the principal of school 2 was told, so maybe it’s not his fault, but someone knew, and sent him to the other school anyway. That’s horrifying.
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2023 21:27     Subject: LCPS Gets the NYT Treatment
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As someone who has followed this from the beginning, I didn’t learn anything new. Well except Ziegler’s nail polish.


I did. The sections where Scott Smith and the Ian Prior types knew the perp wasn’t transgender or even gender fluid but persisted in promoting that lie were illuminating.

As was the irony that Smith’s behavior at the school actually impeded the investigation into his daughter’s assault. That is a salient detail.

The article basically says that it is important that this girl was raped by a remote-diagnosed pansexual person and not by a remote-diagnosed "gender fluid" or transsexual person, and that makes Ziegler's and the democratic administration's conduct in this case somehow ok. This reminds me a bit of the 1990's when Clinton liberals explained to us that receiving oral sex doesn't count as adultery, and therefore Clinton didn't lie, and we just don't get the "salient" difference.


You’re right — you don’t get anything that doesn’t fit into your twisted, narrow agenda.

Facts:

1) They had a relationship and a history of consensual sex. This is why administrators and law enforcement were initially skeptical of the claim.
2) The claim couldn’t be fully investigated by law enforcement because Smith showed up at the school and made a scene. He literally impeded the investigation of his daughter’s assault.
3) Ian Prior is a vile and disgusting opportunist who will burn in Hell, hopefully sooner rather than later. May he have a heart attack or something.


If you get that agitated every time, you'll get that heart attack before him.


When you consider that Scott Ziegler is now, according to the NYT, appearing in public with hoop earrings and fingernails painted black, it stands to reason that absent Prior’s activism Ziegler might still be superintendent today and trying to encourage every future Lia Thomas in LCPS to use the bathrooms “of their choice” and try out for girls sports teams. Not sure that’s what Loudoun parents really want.