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Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait to watch GenX and older millennial women fully stay in the game over their middle and old age as they finally get treatment that helps symptoms.

There’s not much that’s more awesome than vigorous, confident, healthy older women.

You know, based on some of the sourceless, irrational pushback on this thread, i don’t think all women actually want this healthier vision for themselves or for their peers. I wouldn’t have thought it before, but I do now.

So, lots of women never take HRT and are vigorous, confident, and healtly older women, staying in the game. Taking HRT doesn't stop aging or put one on some sort of higher plane. We're all going to get old!

I consulted with one of the MDs referred to in the NYT article - I have not listened to The Daily. I was able to make an appointment with her a few weeks after I read the article.

Someone posting here is a real liar, so I’ll clear up some misinformation. There is no “push” by anyone to use HRT. I was required to be wholly up to date on all basic bloodwork, to have a Pap and a mammogram, and to test a couple of other things before my consult with the physician. Further, I gave comprehensive health history that obviously particularly included my mother’s relevant health history, and filled out a massive questionnaire regarding symptoms. The consult itself was an hour, with options laid out. As I still menstruate, a low-dose birth control pill was ultimately what I decided in with her advice and recommendation, and I’m set to check in after being on the pill for 3 months, to see what’s abated. I’m not there yet.

Anyone who thinks the above describes a pill-pushing practice is straight crazy. There is nothing immoderate or unreasonable about my approach, and shame on people who try to scare other women for no legitimate reason.

What are some natural options? Still cycling monthly at 56. But hot flashes & anxiety.

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Anonymous wrote:Menopause is so hot right now.

Someone enjoys pushing HRT.

I’m all for women exploring all the options and not settling for years of discomfort. There’s been this notion that we cannot talk about it which means we all just need to suck it up and suffer through the hot flashes, sleepless nights and dry skin. Oh and don’t forget the mood swings.

If you’re a candidate for MHT/HRT, go for it.

Women should certainly be able to freely discuss options with their doctors. And it’s horrible that women weren’t anesthetized properly for egg retrievals.

Separately, there are people on DCUM who enjoy pushing HRT.

What’s your point? There are also women here who love sharing about Tretinoin and the Uniqlo moon bag for $20. It’s a DISCUSSION board.

I’m happy to share that HRT has been a game changer for me. If it prompts someone who’s struggling to bring it with their healthcare provider or to do more research on their own, why do you care?

Exsqueeze you, are you the totally real Big Pharma salesMAN referenced up thread who is clearly pushing HRT on all women??? Hmmm? Why do hostile??!! /s

Only the women who didn’t use or need HRT are allowed to discuss (in an afactual and zero-sourced way) HRT, get it?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Menopause is so hot right now.

Someone enjoys pushing HRT.

I’m all for women exploring all the options and not settling for years of discomfort. There’s been this notion that we cannot talk about it which means we all just need to suck it up and suffer through the hot flashes, sleepless nights and dry skin. Oh and don’t forget the mood swings.

If you’re a candidate for MHT/HRT, go for it.

Women should certainly be able to freely discuss options with their doctors. And it’s horrible that women weren’t anesthetized properly for egg retrievals.

Separately, there are people on DCUM who enjoy pushing HRT.

What’s your point? There are also women here who love sharing about Tretinoin and the Uniqlo moon bag for $20. It’s a DISCUSSION board.

I’m happy to share that HRT has been a game changer for me. If it prompts someone who’s struggling to bring it with their healthcare provider or to do more research on their own, why do you care?

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Anonymous wrote:Menopause is so hot right now.

Someone enjoys pushing HRT.

I’m all for women exploring all the options and not settling for years of discomfort. There’s been this notion that we cannot talk about it which means we all just need to suck it up and suffer through the hot flashes, sleepless nights and dry skin. Oh and don’t forget the mood swings.

If you’re a candidate for MHT/HRT, go for it.

Women should certainly be able to freely discuss options with their doctors. And it’s horrible that women weren’t anesthetized properly for egg retrievals.

Separately, there are people on DCUM who enjoy pushing HRT.

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Anonymous wrote:Menopause is so hot right now.

Someone enjoys pushing HRT.

I’m all for women exploring all the options and not settling for years of discomfort. There’s been this notion that we cannot talk about it which means we all just need to suck it up and suffer through the hot flashes, sleepless nights and dry skin. Oh and don’t forget the mood swings.

If you’re a candidate for MHT/HRT, go for it.

I think you’re soft-pedaling the contempt that people, including the woman up thread, have for women being honest about the difficult to life-limiting nature of symptoms for some women. Look at her response - she used nothing and baby (according to her…) she’s killing the game! Misogyny in medicine has its many and sundry foot soldiers. I mean, I’m personally not overweight and don’t suffer from major depression or lung cancer so why can’t those wimps like deal amirite?

A companion piece to this convo might be had with a separate Serial podcast, The Retrievals, about a scum of the Earth Yale fertility nurse who stole fentanyl directly from fertility patients undergoing surgeries and replaced it with saline; the scum of the Earth supervisors ignored, were impatient with, and did nothing when HUNDREDS of women expressed that they were in excruciating pain - they were having unmedicated reproductive surgery! For years (it seems possible this went on for 4 years despite what the university claims), hundreds of women were written off as hysterics and whiners. There’s a through line here. Women’s pain - women’s experiences- are mocked and ignored, as often as not abetted by other women. Anecdata - obnoxious smug witch anecdata - a la I Didn’t Need Meds, except for my personality which can’t be fixed - is somehow a stand-in for proper statistical analysis and conversation about relative risk.

It is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Menopause is so hot right now.

Someone enjoys pushing HRT.

Why are you trolling? It’s bizarre, at your age.

Interesting how you got overly defensive over my comment.

It’s not defensive to call you a troll when you’ve posted that you didn’t take in the material under discussion. Spouting off as you are is….trolling.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait to watch GenX and older millennial women fully stay in the game over their middle and old age as they finally get treatment that helps symptoms.

There’s not much that’s more awesome than vigorous, confident, healthy older women.

I'm Gen X, almost a decade post-menopause, no treatment needed; still fully in the game. Didn't read the article, but was it basically an advertisement for hormone drugs?

Why would you comment on something you didn’t read?

You’re the worst kind of human: so if you weren’t wrecked by symptoms the women that were, or are, are deficient. Do you have the same view of women who have an acute illness like Bc? Is that their fault, too?

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait to watch GenX and older millennial women fully stay in the game over their middle and old age as they finally get treatment that helps symptoms.

There’s not much that’s more awesome than vigorous, confident, healthy older women.

I'm Gen X, almost a decade post-menopause, no treatment needed; still fully in the game. Didn't read the article, but was it basically an advertisement for hormone drugs?

Yeah! Good for you! Can you understand that not every women experienced menopause like you did?

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait to watch GenX and older millennial women fully stay in the game over their middle and old age as they finally get treatment that helps symptoms.

There’s not much that’s more awesome than vigorous, confident, healthy older women.

I'm Gen X, almost a decade post-menopause, no treatment needed; still fully in the game. Didn't read the article, but was it basically an advertisement for hormone drugs?

“for every 10,000 women who take hormones, an additional eight will develop breast cancer”

“No research has yet followed women who start in their 50s and stay on continuously into their 60s.”

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Anonymous wrote:I have not finished the podcast yet but as someone with DCIS, I found it kind of frustrating that it seemed to totally ignore that not everyone can take hormones. I was totally planning to take hormones but now feel like I can't. There are a lot of people who have had DCIS or breast cancer so it is not like this is super rare. Apologies if this was later in the podcast and I missed it.

Yeah, there are some posters here who chime in as though you’re an idiot for not going the hormone route.

Because you are. Because statistically, the risk presented to most women by heart disease so vastly exceeds the risk of breast cancer across the population that advising based on a false risk to the average woman is steeped in bad science and lies.

Who is saying that woman with any form of BC must be on hormonal medication? No one.

I'm the DCIS poster. I would love to take hormones but can't (I'm on tamoxifen). Hearing about all the great things HRT does was depressing to me. I am more worried about osteoporosis than breast cancer so I'm running and weight training but I wish the fact that some women just can't take HRT wasn't ignored. There are a lot of us.

You find it depressing? I mean I am sorry you have health issues but you cannot take joy in improvement of science? You can’t be at least okay that countless other women will helped? Maybe it could help a woman you are close to? You can take it as hope that one day these findings will be used and studied further to help you?

I’m continually stunned by how difficult it is for some people to see outside themselvesx

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait to watch GenX and older millennial women fully stay in the game over their middle and old age as they finally get treatment that helps symptoms.

There’s not much that’s more awesome than vigorous, confident, healthy older women.

You know, based on some of the sourceless, irrational pushback on this thread, i don’t think all women actually want this healthier vision for themselves or for their peers. I wouldn’t have thought it before, but I do now.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not finished the podcast yet but as someone with DCIS, I found it kind of frustrating that it seemed to totally ignore that not everyone can take hormones. I was totally planning to take hormones but now feel like I can't. There are a lot of people who have had DCIS or breast cancer so it is not like this is super rare. Apologies if this was later in the podcast and I missed it.

Yeah, there are some posters here who chime in as though you’re an idiot for not going the hormone route.

Because you are. Because statistically, the risk presented to most women by heart disease so vastly exceeds the risk of breast cancer across the population that advising based on a false risk to the average woman is steeped in bad science and lies.

Who is saying that woman with any form of BC must be on hormonal medication? No one.

I'm the DCIS poster. I would love to take hormones but can't (I'm on tamoxifen). Hearing about all the great things HRT does was depressing to me. I am more worried about osteoporosis than breast cancer so I'm running and weight training but I wish the fact that some women just can't take HRT wasn't ignored. There are a lot of us.

No one’s ignoring you. The outsized, exaggerated and misrepresentation about the percentage increase in breast cancer was all that was discussed, erroneously, for more than 20 years until there was a confluence of publications in the last 8 months or so.

Lauren Streicher is a menopause specialist affiliated with Northwestern with a comprehensive meno podcast, and she’s discussed estrogen and breast cancer alone and with a BC surviving physician, who ultimately did use HRT, safely, in a certain post diagnosis window. It might be a good listen.

It is repellent to see fear-mongering posts with literally no info just dropped here. It’s gross.