Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just posted this in the UVA thread. It really is an effed up system. People that were careless get rewarded and people that scrimped and saved and built wealth and equity through long hours and sacrifice are expected to drain three entire savings. Their kids end up not going to the elite private universities while their neighbors with no 529s, family wealth so they work at non-profits making little $ since their parents bought their homes and paid for their college have kids that meet the “need based” criteria and go virtually free to Ivies and places like Hopkins. Our system is broken.

It's hard to read your run-on sentence. But I think what you are saying is kids who go to Ivies and Hopkins do so because their parents come from families with money, which allows them to work for low salaries. Is that correct?

I think PP is saying neighbors hide income or otherwise situate themselves to get aid they don't deserve. Neighbor's kid gets an elite education for free, while the PP can only send kiddo to state.

This seems to be the knee jerk assumption as soon as someone fills out an aid form. But I think they don't begin to know what actually happens. It's only extremely low income that are getting free rides. People who offhand mention they received aid or a merit scholarship, often are not giving out details. These tend to be small coupons and school is still significantly more than the in-state options. These tend to be at lesser schools.

But what people are ignoring, is the article is only partly about aid going to the lower income students. More importantly admission boost go to the wealthy students who have better recommendations and ECs coming out of elite private schools. That's where the real discrepancy is seen. But everyone's just re-hashing their previous gripes.

Not at Ivies, Hopkins, etc. and at UNC if you make 150K or below you go completely free.

Here are some of the Ivy League colleges that offer needs-based free college tuition packages for undergrads:
Princeton University.
Harvard University.
Columbia University.
Yale University.
Brown University.
Cornell University.
Dartmouth College.
University of Pennsylvania.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just posted this in the UVA thread. It really is an effed up system. People that were careless get rewarded and people that scrimped and saved and built wealth and equity through long hours and sacrifice are expected to drain three entire savings. Their kids end up not going to the elite private universities while their neighbors with no 529s, family wealth so they work at non-profits making little $ since their parents bought their homes and paid for their college have kids that meet the “need based” criteria and go virtually free to Ivies and places like Hopkins. Our system is broken.

Also relevant:
$350-400k in North Arlington or McLean with 2-3 kids makes you a donut hole where spending $85k/year for each of them is a serious burden. That is $680k for two kids for 4 years or a whopping $1,020,000 for 3 kids. With housing costs over $1.5 million (and much more) the closer you get to DC you can see why in-state universities (which VA has many great ones) are such a draw to ppl that would be wealthy in a lower cost state/area, but it’s really effed up that people that started with nothing and worked 70-80 hour weeks to attain that salary are full pay while people with better backgrounds and family help so they didn’t need the high salaries work at non-profits making a 1/4 of that and their kids can go to Ivies for free.

You act like this is a big part of the population but it’s not. It’s a very rare circumstance. You’re so mad it exists (rarely) that you want to blow up the whole system.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just posted this in the UVA thread. It really is an effed up system. People that were careless get rewarded and people that scrimped and saved and built wealth and equity through long hours and sacrifice are expected to drain three entire savings. Their kids end up not going to the elite private universities while their neighbors with no 529s, family wealth so they work at non-profits making little $ since their parents bought their homes and paid for their college have kids that meet the “need based” criteria and go virtually free to Ivies and places like Hopkins. Our system is broken.

It's hard to read your run-on sentence. But I think what you are saying is kids who go to Ivies and Hopkins do so because their parents come from families with money, which allows them to work for low salaries. Is that correct?

I think PP is saying neighbors hide income or otherwise situate themselves to get aid they don't deserve. Neighbor's kid gets an elite education for free, while the PP can only send kiddo to state.

This seems to be the knee jerk assumption as soon as someone fills out an aid form. But I think they don't begin to know what actually happens. It's only extremely low income that are getting free rides. People who offhand mention they received aid or a merit scholarship, often are not giving out details. These tend to be small coupons and school is still significantly more than the in-state options. These tend to be at lesser schools.

But what people are ignoring, is the article is only partly about aid going to the lower income students. More importantly admission boost go to the wealthy students who have better recommendations and ECs coming out of elite private schools. That's where the real discrepancy is seen. But everyone's just re-hashing their previous gripes.

Not at Ivies, Hopkins, etc. and at UNC if you make 150K or below you go completely free.

Here are some of the Ivy League colleges that offer needs-based free college tuition packages for undergrads:
Princeton University.
Harvard University.
Columbia University.
Yale University.
Brown University.
Cornell University.
Dartmouth College.
University of Pennsylvania.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just posted this in the UVA thread. It really is an effed up system. People that were careless get rewarded and people that scrimped and saved and built wealth and equity through long hours and sacrifice are expected to drain three entire savings. Their kids end up not going to the elite private universities while their neighbors with no 529s, family wealth so they work at non-profits making little $ since their parents bought their homes and paid for their college have kids that meet the “need based” criteria and go virtually free to Ivies and places like Hopkins. Our system is broken.

It's hard to read your run-on sentence. But I think what you are saying is kids who go to Ivies and Hopkins do so because their parents come from families with money, which allows them to work for low salaries. Is that correct?

I think PP is saying neighbors hide income or otherwise situate themselves to get aid they don't deserve. Neighbor's kid gets an elite education for free, while the PP can only send kiddo to state.

This seems to be the knee jerk assumption as soon as someone fills out an aid form. But I think they don't begin to know what actually happens. It's only extremely low income that are getting free rides. People who offhand mention they received aid or a merit scholarship, often are not giving out details. These tend to be small coupons and school is still significantly more than the in-state options. These tend to be at lesser schools.

But what people are ignoring, is the article is only partly about aid going to the lower income students. More importantly admission boost go to the wealthy students who have better recommendations and ECs coming out of elite private schools. That's where the real discrepancy is seen. But everyone's just re-hashing their previous gripes.

Not at Ivies, Hopkins, etc. and at UNC if you make 150K or below you go completely free.

Here are some of the Ivy League colleges that offer needs-based free college tuition packages for undergrads:
Princeton University.
Harvard University.
Columbia University.
Yale University.
Brown University.
Cornell University.
Dartmouth College.
University of Pennsylvania.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem for middle class is affordability of colleges unless it is in state universities.
Not rich enough to pay and not poor enough to get financial aid.

Yes disadvantaged for being in the middle..

Yes. So very bright kids that get into these selective privates/ivies can't afford it like kids of lower income that get to go for free. And, many of these families just live in lower cost areas or one of the parents doesn't work. It is very sour to experience it. I either drain my savings or my kid can't do what others of the same grades/scores and advantages life get to do. And, if you choose to go into debt to fund their dream school, you find out that over 50% aren't paying the full price tag like you, many not even close to the full price tag and at many of those privates the kids don't have to pay a dime.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem for middle class is affordability of colleges unless it is in state universities.
Not rich enough to pay and not poor enough to get financial aid.

Yes disadvantaged for being in the middle..

Yes. So very bright kids that get into these selective privates/ivies can't afford it like kids of lower income that get to go for free. And, many of these families just live in lower cost areas or one of the parents doesn't work. It is very sour to experience it. I either drain my savings or my kid can't do what others of the same grades/scores and advantages life get to do. And, if you choose to go into debt to fund their dream school, you find out that over 50% aren't paying the full price tag like you, many not even close to the full price tag and at many of those privates the kids don't have to pay a dime.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just posted this in the UVA thread. It really is an effed up system. People that were careless get rewarded and people that scrimped and saved and built wealth and equity through long hours and sacrifice are expected to drain three entire savings. Their kids end up not going to the elite private universities while their neighbors with no 529s, family wealth so they work at non-profits making little $ since their parents bought their homes and paid for their college have kids that meet the “need based” criteria and go virtually free to Ivies and places like Hopkins. Our system is broken.

It's hard to read your run-on sentence. But I think what you are saying is kids who go to Ivies and Hopkins do so because their parents come from families with money, which allows them to work for low salaries. Is that correct?

I think PP is saying neighbors hide income or otherwise situate themselves to get aid they don't deserve. Neighbor's kid gets an elite education for free, while the PP can only send kiddo to state.

This seems to be the knee jerk assumption as soon as someone fills out an aid form. But I think they don't begin to know what actually happens. It's only extremely low income that are getting free rides. People who offhand mention they received aid or a merit scholarship, often are not giving out details. These tend to be small coupons and school is still significantly more than the in-state options. These tend to be at lesser schools.

But what people are ignoring, is the article is only partly about aid going to the lower income students. More importantly admission boost go to the wealthy students who have better recommendations and ECs coming out of elite private schools. That's where the real discrepancy is seen. But everyone's just re-hashing their previous gripes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just posted this in the UVA thread. It really is an effed up system. People that were careless get rewarded and people that scrimped and saved and built wealth and equity through long hours and sacrifice are expected to drain three entire savings. Their kids end up not going to the elite private universities while their neighbors with no 529s, family wealth so they work at non-profits making little $ since their parents bought their homes and paid for their college have kids that meet the “need based” criteria and go virtually free to Ivies and places like Hopkins. Our system is broken.

It's hard to read your run-on sentence. But I think what you are saying is kids who go to Ivies and Hopkins do so because their parents come from families with money, which allows them to work for low salaries. Is that correct?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem for middle class is affordability of colleges unless it is in state universities.
Not rich enough to pay and not poor enough to get financial aid.

Yes disadvantaged for being in the middle..

Anonymous wrote:The problem for middle class is affordability of colleges unless it is in state universities.
Not rich enough to pay and not poor enough to get financial aid.

Anonymous wrote:I just posted this in the UVA thread. It really is an effed up system. People that were careless get rewarded and people that scrimped and saved and built wealth and equity through long hours and sacrifice are expected to drain three entire savings. Their kids end up not going to the elite private universities while their neighbors with no 529s, family wealth so they work at non-profits making little $ since their parents bought their homes and paid for their college have kids that meet the “need based” criteria and go virtually free to Ivies and places like Hopkins. Our system is broken.

Anonymous wrote:I just posted this in the UVA thread. It really is an effed up system. People that were careless get rewarded and people that scrimped and saved and built wealth and equity through long hours and sacrifice are expected to drain three entire savings. Their kids end up not going to the elite private universities while their neighbors with no 529s, family wealth so they work at non-profits making little $ since their parents bought their homes and paid for their college have kids that meet the “need based” criteria and go virtually free to Ivies and places like Hopkins. Our system is broken.