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Anonymous wrote:I'll answer your question OP. Reciprocity goes both ways so no, you don't have to pay the MD ticket if it's from a camera. VA and MD drivers refuse to pay millions of DC camera tickets a year, a source of revenue Charles Allen was hoping MD and VA would give in. You're essentially a sucker if you pay an out of state camera tickets despite what these DCUM moralists claim.

So the only reason laws matter is if you (a) get caught breaking them and (b) have to pay a penalty or serve jail time for it? There's no inherent reason to follow the law otherwise?

I don't believe the fact that Maryland drivers ignore D.C.'s laws and shrug off the consequences of it gives me, a D.C. resident, license to do the same in Maryland. You're welcome to decide otherwise, I guess, but if we all take this narrowly consequentialist view of laws and the common good, it's a pretty bleak outlook for the notion of society.

Thanks for telling us your beliefs. VA and MD have laws that limit camera violations so do not give reciprocity to DC's high camera violation fees. VA and MD could absolutely give reciprocity but they are worried about constituent backlash from both the people with outstanding tickets as well as those who are strongly against high fines from camera tickets.

If DC wants these fines paid then they should fund their enforcement staff and use leverage to get MD and VA to comply. Otherwise everyone just participates in the overall scofflaw attitude in DC so I don't judge anyone who doesn't bother paying these tickets.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll answer your question OP. Reciprocity goes both ways so no, you don't have to pay the MD ticket if it's from a camera. VA and MD drivers refuse to pay millions of DC camera tickets a year, a source of revenue Charles Allen was hoping MD and VA would give in. You're essentially a sucker if you pay an out of state camera tickets despite what these DCUM moralists claim.

So the only reason laws matter is if you (a) get caught breaking them and (b) have to pay a penalty or serve jail time for it? There's no inherent reason to follow the law otherwise?

I don't believe the fact that Maryland drivers ignore D.C.'s laws and shrug off the consequences of it gives me, a D.C. resident, license to do the same in Maryland. You're welcome to decide otherwise, I guess, but if we all take this narrowly consequentialist view of laws and the common good, it's a pretty bleak outlook for the notion of society.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want it to go to collections and mess up your credit?

Camera tickets are connected to the car, not an individual person. So it won’t affect my credit.

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Anonymous wrote:Being honest does not make anyone a sucker. What a twisted world view.

Also, being accountable. Everyone is always yelling about holding people accountable, but I guess that only applies to other people, not to yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s this with those with Maryland plates not having to pay DC fines? Can someone elaborate?

Maryland doesn't penalize people with cars registered in Maryland for having unpaid tickets from traffic cameras in DC. Maryland could, in fact Maryland should, but Maryland doesn't.

Could that change and what happens if you are driving in dc and pulled over with outstanding fines?

Anonymous wrote:I'll answer your question OP. Reciprocity goes both ways so no, you don't have to pay the MD ticket if it's from a camera. VA and MD drivers refuse to pay millions of DC camera tickets a year, a source of revenue Charles Allen was hoping MD and VA would give in. You're essentially a sucker if you pay an out of state camera tickets despite what these DCUM moralists claim.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s this with those with Maryland plates not having to pay DC fines? Can someone elaborate?

Maryland doesn't penalize people with cars registered in Maryland for having unpaid tickets from traffic cameras in DC. Maryland could, in fact Maryland should, but Maryland doesn't.

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Anonymous wrote:? I always my tickets, regardless of the state. It's called being a decent human.

Do what's right, OP.

Oh please. Thinking this is about right and wrong is as silly as OP thinking anyone anywhere will care about her protest.

DP. I mean, OP shouldn't have exceeded the speed limit in the first place. In Maryland, you only get a citation if you were going 12 mph or more over the speed limit. That's speeding by a lot, which is dangerous. Not driving dangerously is part of being a decent human being, in my opinion.

Given that OP was driving dangerously, and received a ticket for it, the responsible thing is for OP to pay the ticket (and be grateful that nothing worse happened).

It was 41 in a 30 on a 4 lane road. Simmer down.

41 or 42 in a 30? Yes, that's driving dangerously. Pay the ticket and stop speeding, please.

The people texting or playing with their phone while driving are dangerous. Speeding is not nearly as dangerous if someone is paying attention. I see people swerving, not staying in their line, and making dangerous maneuvers all the time, and 95% of them are on their phone. Also, many roads used to have 40 mph speed limits, and were totally fine, but now the limit is 30 and there is a camera.

That is incorrect. Speeding is dangerous. It's basic f = ma. The faster the speed, the worse the crash. Also, the faster the speed, the less time the driver has to react.

And the roads that used to have 40 mph speed limits and now have 30 mph speed limits and there is a camera were not, actually, "totally fine" at 40 mph.

Stop speeding. It doesn't even get you to your destination any faster, it just gets you to the next red light faster.

Distracted driving (which includes texting) causes more accidents. I have no clue why people obsess over speeding when there are cameras out there that could be used to catch texting while driving. When you text, you actually take your eyes off the road. It's awful -- there is a car whose driver is not looking at where they're going! Next time you see a car swerving dangerously, try to take a quick glance to see why -- almost always a driver glued to their phone.

Anonymous wrote:What’s this with those with Maryland plates not having to pay DC fines? Can someone elaborate?

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Anonymous wrote:I'll answer your question OP. Reciprocity goes both ways so no, you don't have to pay the MD ticket if it's from a camera. VA and MD drivers refuse to pay millions of DC camera tickets a year, a source of revenue Charles Allen was hoping MD and VA would give in. You're essentially a sucker if you pay an out of state camera tickets despite what these DCUM moralists claim.

Can't DC boot an out of state car that is in DC?

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Anonymous wrote:? I always my tickets, regardless of the state. It's called being a decent human.

Do what's right, OP.

Oh please. Thinking this is about right and wrong is as silly as OP thinking anyone anywhere will care about her protest.

DP. I mean, OP shouldn't have exceeded the speed limit in the first place. In Maryland, you only get a citation if you were going 12 mph or more over the speed limit. That's speeding by a lot, which is dangerous. Not driving dangerously is part of being a decent human being, in my opinion.

Given that OP was driving dangerously, and received a ticket for it, the responsible thing is for OP to pay the ticket (and be grateful that nothing worse happened).

I agree that not speeding is part of being a decent human. But paying a ticket does not undo the risky behavior.

Does the existence of speed cameras increase public safety? I could be wrong but I don't believe that's the case.

Anonymous wrote:Being honest does not make anyone a sucker. What a twisted world view.

Anonymous wrote:Do you want it to go to collections and mess up your credit?