Anonymous
07/15/2023 14:38
Subject: Reducing 11s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do yourself a favor. Go to Elizabeth Tanzi. She is a literal miracle worker. Her Botox is so conservative and so natural and so effective.
Except in her own photos it does not look natural and conservative, but hard and obvious. No thanks.
Nonsense. She has a national reputation.
NP.
It does not look natural.
People who are into this sort of thing often seem to develop a skewed sense of what normal, natural, healthy aging looks like. This is not it.
And over time, the “light touch” is not enough. It becomes more and more and more. I’ve seen it firsthand with my older siblings. Even my mother, who does not get work done but lives near them, accepts it as “natural looking” because she’s seen it slowly morph over time. I didn’t see them for 3 years (back when they truly did get light Botox) and, holy sh!t. Their work is completely unnatural.
You just keep telling yourself that. I’m sure they look great. The science is there, why not use it?
Because people way overdo it, and end up looking strange. Not younger and definitely not natural.
Anonymous
07/15/2023 14:37
Subject: Reducing 11s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do yourself a favor. Go to Elizabeth Tanzi. She is a literal miracle worker. Her Botox is so conservative and so natural and so effective.
Except in her own photos it does not look natural and conservative, but hard and obvious. No thanks.
Nonsense. She has a national reputation.
NP.
It does not look natural.
People who are into this sort of thing often seem to develop a skewed sense of what normal, natural, healthy aging looks like. This is not it.
And over time, the “light touch” is not enough. It becomes more and more and more. I’ve seen it firsthand with my older siblings. Even my mother, who does not get work done but lives near them, accepts it as “natural looking” because she’s seen it slowly morph over time. I didn’t see them for 3 years (back when they truly did get light Botox) and, holy sh!t. Their work is completely unnatural.
It's a matter of aesthetic preference, I suppose. But I can see the work done very clearly and that is the opposite of natural. I don't care if the "light touch" isn't enough down the road, but it's where I want to start. For some reason it's hard to find.
Anonymous
07/15/2023 14:33
Subject: Reducing 11s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Botox. Don’t even think about it. You will not regret it. It’s not that expensive. Just do the 11’s and brow area do not let them talk you into doing additional areas (eyes, chin blah blah). I do minimal units (20) and the affect is significant.
Leave it to DCUM to say $300 four times a year isn't that expensive!
This is not a lot of money, sorry to tell you. Heck, that's what a good cut and color costs you! We're not talking about a 30 something woman here with small children, at the start of her career or staying at home. This is a woman entering, or in her peak earning years. Frownies are not going to move the dial on anyone over 40, I do wish people would stop pushing that nonsense. Same goes with "face yoga"
Okay, I'm multiple posting here but I have to address this cost issue. I don't drink. I guarantee you that if the average woman in her late forties added up how much she spends on alcohol at home and at restaurants, it will easily be over $1200/year. My philosophy is don't spend the money on skin-damaging alcohol. Spend it on the botox. You'll be better off all around.
Anonymous
07/15/2023 14:29
Subject: Reducing 11s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do yourself a favor. Go to Elizabeth Tanzi. She is a literal miracle worker. Her Botox is so conservative and so natural and so effective.
Except in her own photos it does not look natural and conservative, but hard and obvious. No thanks.
Nonsense. She has a national reputation.
NP.
It does not look natural.
People who are into this sort of thing often seem to develop a skewed sense of what normal, natural, healthy aging looks like. This is not it.
And over time, the “light touch” is not enough. It becomes more and more and more. I’ve seen it firsthand with my older siblings. Even my mother, who does not get work done but lives near them, accepts it as “natural looking” because she’s seen it slowly morph over time. I didn’t see them for 3 years (back when they truly did get light Botox) and, holy sh!t. Their work is completely unnatural.
You just keep telling yourself that. I’m sure they look great. The science is there, why not use it?
Yeah, you can believe what you want.
Last week, my newest SIL found out I was going to be 50 soon and she was genuinely shocked. She was saying in front of everyone "I had no idea...I thought you were about 38 to 40. I just had no idea..." The estate lawyer we recently met with accused me of lying. Not professional but he was so surprised he forgot himself for a moment.
I get similar reactions all the time. Don't drink, don't smoke, put on the sunscreen, Retin-A, and get Botox. That's it. I did add fillers last year, for my lips and to fix a little dent in my nose.
Anonymous
07/15/2023 14:22
Subject: Reducing 11s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am not sure I want to go down the road of doing Botox. Does anything else help reduce 11s? Can I train myself to relax the muscle via meditation?
Why are you opposed to botox? And don't say because it's a toxin. Basically what I'm saying is - Botox or Dysport or Xeomin etc, are your only option. Don't waste your time and money on anything else.
Op here. No deep opposition, just hesitant for reasons of cost, hassle, and that I’ve gotten into my late 40s without doing it (and generally am happy with how I look) so not sure I shouldn’t just accept this as normal aging. I’m starting to consider it though…
NP here. It wears off in 3-4 months. If you don't like it, you don't have to do it again.
To answer your original question, short of surgically snipping the muscles that control your muscles that make the 11's appear, Botox, Daxxify, Dysport, or Xeomin are it. I would do it before they become so deep that you need toxins AND fillers because that's when you run the risk of looking odd. Or just make peace with the 11's. It's up to you. At your age, you have to decide because the longer you put off trying the toxins, the less that can be done.
Anonymous
07/15/2023 13:16
Subject: Reducing 11s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do yourself a favor. Go to Elizabeth Tanzi. She is a literal miracle worker. Her Botox is so conservative and so natural and so effective.
Except in her own photos it does not look natural and conservative, but hard and obvious. No thanks.
Nonsense. She has a national reputation.
NP.
It does not look natural.
People who are into this sort of thing often seem to develop a skewed sense of what normal, natural, healthy aging looks like. This is not it.
And over time, the “light touch” is not enough. It becomes more and more and more. I’ve seen it firsthand with my older siblings. Even my mother, who does not get work done but lives near them, accepts it as “natural looking” because she’s seen it slowly morph over time. I didn’t see them for 3 years (back when they truly did get light Botox) and, holy sh!t. Their work is completely unnatural.
You just keep telling yourself that. I’m sure they look great. The science is there, why not use it?
Anonymous
07/15/2023 11:18
Subject: Re:Reducing 11s
Just get the injection. You won’t regret it. Just do it.
Anonymous
07/15/2023 11:16
Subject: Reducing 11s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Botox. Don’t even think about it. You will not regret it. It’s not that expensive. Just do the 11’s and brow area do not let them talk you into doing additional areas (eyes, chin blah blah). I do minimal units (20) and the affect is significant.
Leave it to DCUM to say $300 four times a year isn't that expensive!
This is not a lot of money, sorry to tell you. Heck, that's what a good cut and color costs you! We're not talking about a 30 something woman here with small children, at the start of her career or staying at home. This is a woman entering, or in her peak earning years. Frownies are not going to move the dial on anyone over 40, I do wish people would stop pushing that nonsense. Same goes with "face yoga"
Anonymous
07/15/2023 09:58
Subject: Reducing 11s
Op just try Dysport. Really. You’re going to be shocked at how natural it looks and still you in every way but better.
Anonymous
07/15/2023 09:37
Subject: Reducing 11s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do yourself a favor. Go to Elizabeth Tanzi. She is a literal miracle worker. Her Botox is so conservative and so natural and so effective.
Except in her own photos it does not look natural and conservative, but hard and obvious. No thanks.
Nonsense. She has a national reputation.
NP.
It does not look natural.
People who are into this sort of thing often seem to develop a skewed sense of what normal, natural, healthy aging looks like. This is not it.
And over time, the “light touch” is not enough. It becomes more and more and more. I’ve seen it firsthand with my older siblings. Even my mother, who does not get work done but lives near them, accepts it as “natural looking” because she’s seen it slowly morph over time. I didn’t see them for 3 years (back when they truly did get light Botox) and, holy sh!t. Their work is completely unnatural.
NP, for me this is the issue with Botox. It might be okay and light touch now. At some point it will not be. Then will it be really shocking because all of my aging occurs quickly? Or do I go for the frozen face?
Basically I am hesitant to start something when the end point does not seem so clear, at least to me.
Anonymous
07/15/2023 09:32
Subject: Reducing 11s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do yourself a favor. Go to Elizabeth Tanzi. She is a literal miracle worker. Her Botox is so conservative and so natural and so effective.
Except in her own photos it does not look natural and conservative, but hard and obvious. No thanks.
Nonsense. She has a national reputation.
NP.
It does not look natural.
People who are into this sort of thing often seem to develop a skewed sense of what normal, natural, healthy aging looks like. This is not it.
And over time, the “light touch” is not enough. It becomes more and more and more. I’ve seen it firsthand with my older siblings. Even my mother, who does not get work done but lives near them, accepts it as “natural looking” because she’s seen it slowly morph over time. I didn’t see them for 3 years (back when they truly did get light Botox) and, holy sh!t. Their work is completely unnatural.
Anonymous
07/15/2023 09:23
Subject: Reducing 11s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You could try frownies. I am a side sleeper which makes my 11s look worse in the morning, but the lines have disappeared since I started wearing frownies at night.
Best option and shockingly effective. The tech is beyond basic. You can probably make DIY frownies at home.
When I was a kid my mom used regular scotch tape for this. For all I know she still does! She looks amazing at 77.
Anonymous
07/14/2023 19:05
Subject: Reducing 11s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just do Botox. Light touch. It'll even improve your mood.
Can't seem to find anyone who has an actual light touch, they either have different aesthetic preferences or only care about $$$.
Really? I only do 12-15 units, depending (not in DC, though).
Yes, DC is so expensive most costly treatments tend to be pushed hard.
You just have be clear and firm, it’s not hard
Anonymous
07/14/2023 19:04
Subject: Reducing 11s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Botox. Don’t even think about it. You will not regret it. It’s not that expensive. Just do the 11’s and brow area do not let them talk you into doing additional areas (eyes, chin blah blah). I do minimal units (20) and the affect is significant.
Leave it to DCUM to say $300 four times a year isn't that expensive!
PP here. I do it 2x a year…yes, $300 each time…$600 a year is quite affordable for me, and many women spend way beyond that.
Anonymous
07/14/2023 18:55
Subject: Reducing 11s
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do yourself a favor. Go to Elizabeth Tanzi. She is a literal miracle worker. Her Botox is so conservative and so natural and so effective.
Except in her own photos it does not look natural and conservative, but hard and obvious. No thanks.
Nonsense. She has a national reputation.