Anonymous
07/12/2023 04:17
Subject: What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
Sadly, nothing
Anonymous
07/12/2023 02:51
Subject: What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
Anonymous wrote:Nothing or they get promoted.
Government.
Yup, yup, and yup. Government breeds assssssholes.
Anonymous
07/11/2023 23:40
Subject: What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
Anonymous wrote:They get promoted.
+1
Anonymous
07/11/2023 23:29
Subject: What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
The biggest bully in my company is also one of the most dishonest and incompetent people I have ever met. So far, she's been promoted by an idiot of a manager who was afraid of her.
Anonymous
07/11/2023 23:21
Subject: Re:What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
My former employer, we would first try to coach the behavior, and if it continued, we would exit them one way or another. Leadership Behaviors meant something and they applied to everyone, all employees held to the sane standard. If it was gross misconduct sh%$, we would terminate.
My current employer is spineless, so misogynistic A holes are basically enabled. It’s too bad bc the company has so much potential but it hasn’t learned to walk its talk.
My current employer is spineless, so misogynistic A holes are basically enabled. It’s too bad bc the company has so much potential but it hasn’t learned to walk its talk.
Anonymous
07/11/2023 23:15
Subject: Re:What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
Anonymous wrote:OP, can you give examples of what you mean?
There are attorneys in my (fed govt) office who behave terribly (yelling, nastiness) particularly the litigators. There are no consequences.
There are attorneys throughout the agency who behave inappropriately in other more "mild" ways (microaggressions or straight up aggressions in meetings, particularly towards women and minorities, talking over people, taking credit for their work, dismissing their ideas, etc.) and generally it is ignored. I know of at least two individuals who had something escalated to their management because it was so bad that other staffers felt uncomfortable and said something. I don't know if there was a PIP, but eventually one did leave for another job.
A prior poster said something about how people may not know there are PIPs and that someone is leaving of their own accord due it one. I suspect that is often the case but I am not in management/ HR. But there are also some awful people that stick around.
op - it's so many things so many times a day.
people getting fired off pieces of biz via group email intro-ing the new person. everyone throwing everyone else under the bus all the time. people refusing to recognize someone else's role or job title, or just refusing to work with them bc they want to build their own thing. people being told whole teams are moving out from under them bc someone else 'wants them'. it's like high school but so much worse.
Anonymous
07/11/2023 22:04
Subject: Re:What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
OP, can you give examples of what you mean?
There are attorneys in my (fed govt) office who behave terribly (yelling, nastiness) particularly the litigators. There are no consequences.
There are attorneys throughout the agency who behave inappropriately in other more "mild" ways (microaggressions or straight up aggressions in meetings, particularly towards women and minorities, talking over people, taking credit for their work, dismissing their ideas, etc.) and generally it is ignored. I know of at least two individuals who had something escalated to their management because it was so bad that other staffers felt uncomfortable and said something. I don't know if there was a PIP, but eventually one did leave for another job.
A prior poster said something about how people may not know there are PIPs and that someone is leaving of their own accord due it one. I suspect that is often the case but I am not in management/ HR. But there are also some awful people that stick around.
There are attorneys in my (fed govt) office who behave terribly (yelling, nastiness) particularly the litigators. There are no consequences.
There are attorneys throughout the agency who behave inappropriately in other more "mild" ways (microaggressions or straight up aggressions in meetings, particularly towards women and minorities, talking over people, taking credit for their work, dismissing their ideas, etc.) and generally it is ignored. I know of at least two individuals who had something escalated to their management because it was so bad that other staffers felt uncomfortable and said something. I don't know if there was a PIP, but eventually one did leave for another job.
A prior poster said something about how people may not know there are PIPs and that someone is leaving of their own accord due it one. I suspect that is often the case but I am not in management/ HR. But there are also some awful people that stick around.
Anonymous
07/11/2023 20:29
Subject: What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
I can fire people so I am always suspect of anyone going to HR playing a game to get cash. Why not tell me?
I did perp walk a manager mid day no notice in front of everyone. The CEO was a bit surprised. Buy you step on my last nerve out you go. I go perp walked a year later. So be it.
That’s why govt sucks in real world you get tossed
I did perp walk a manager mid day no notice in front of everyone. The CEO was a bit surprised. Buy you step on my last nerve out you go. I go perp walked a year later. So be it.
That’s why govt sucks in real world you get tossed
Anonymous
07/11/2023 18:48
Subject: What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Mostly nothing, but we had a guy get fired for delivering ubereats in his government issued vehicle, emblazoned with a huge municipal logo, during the work day.
That's kinda awesome. I'm sure they had to replace the driver's seat because of the indentations from his massive balls.
LOL I'm still laughing from this one.
Anonymous
07/11/2023 18:30
Subject: What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:At my federal agency, it depends. For terrible non-supervisory employees with diligent supervisors, the formal discipline process can progress to the point of removal after about a year. For employees with leadership who aren't that diligent about getting them out, it can take forever.
For people in positions of leadership where the situation becomes intolerable (multiple EEO complaints, investigations, etc), they are usually pushed out into "retirement" or reassigned into a non-supervisory "senior adviser" position where they sit in a corner and do basically nothing. My colleague jokingly called these reassignments "the land of the lost." These upset me because they're still collecting a big paycheck, don't have to supervise people anymore, and have little to no portfolio. Sounds like a good gig for being terrible.
By terrible I mean a variety of behaviors to include harassment, bullying etc.
Same at my agency. Though we do have one lovely adviser who stood out for stunningly clueless behavior related to diversity and inclusion and is now a big spokesperson for…diversity and inclusion. It is nauseating.
Yeah I’ve seen that too. The offenders that are all of a sudden so “caring”.
The Senior Advisor is often a role for a crappy senior manager or someone who got in trouble for something. It is infuriating to see these arrogant useless people collect a big paycheck for doing almost nothing. We have one at my agency who makes so much more than I do it’s insane and no one knows what she does. Another was moved due to what was a stupid but highly visible mistake and I very much like them. No ego, takes whatever work is given and jumps in. Occasionally they’re the result of a reorg that ended up with too many managers and those people are usually okay. More often than that …..it’s the mark of something negative having happened.
Anonymous
07/11/2023 17:58
Subject: What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
Anonymous wrote:At my federal agency, it depends. For terrible non-supervisory employees with diligent supervisors, the formal discipline process can progress to the point of removal after about a year. For employees with leadership who aren't that diligent about getting them out, it can take forever.
For people in positions of leadership where the situation becomes intolerable (multiple EEO complaints, investigations, etc), they are usually pushed out into "retirement" or reassigned into a non-supervisory "senior adviser" position where they sit in a corner and do basically nothing. My colleague jokingly called these reassignments "the land of the lost." These upset me because they're still collecting a big paycheck, don't have to supervise people anymore, and have little to no portfolio. Sounds like a good gig for being terrible.
By terrible I mean a variety of behaviors to include harassment, bullying etc.
Same at my agency. Though we do have one lovely adviser who stood out for stunningly clueless behavior related to diversity and inclusion and is now a big spokesperson for…diversity and inclusion. It is nauseating.
Anonymous
07/11/2023 17:09
Subject: What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
Anonymous wrote:Fed agency - minority or female - nothing. White male - movement towards discipine.
Just to add a note -my example above of the couple that was walked out, one was a female minority.
Anonymous
07/11/2023 17:00
Subject: What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
Fed agency - minority or female - nothing. White male - movement towards discipine.
Anonymous
07/11/2023 15:30
Subject: What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
Fed govt - my particular agency will fire, or start the process for firing particularly bad employees. We’ve done it several times.
One thing I also caution people is that firing is rarely the goal. Getting people to improve is the ultimate goal, but where that fails, getting them to leave on their own accord is preferable, and in my experience, often the outcome of a PIP process. Most people never know it’s going on, nor do they understand it’s the reason for a departure.
One thing I also caution people is that firing is rarely the goal. Getting people to improve is the ultimate goal, but where that fails, getting them to leave on their own accord is preferable, and in my experience, often the outcome of a PIP process. Most people never know it’s going on, nor do they understand it’s the reason for a departure.
Anonymous
07/11/2023 13:52
Subject: What happens at your job if people behave terribly?
Anonymous wrote:Nothing or they get promoted.
Government.
I’ve seen them get promoted.
More often, I’ve seen “effective demotion” where they are paid the same rate but get moved to something far below their grade. I did hear on exactly one actual walking out. I never quite knew what happened but it had to do with mismanagement of contract funds. It was a couple. One partner was let go from the agency but got a federal job elsewhere and one is no longer eligible for federal employment.