Anonymous
06/28/2023 21:11
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They gained ALL the weight back once they stop taking the meds.
+1000 so I'm not sure why they want to waste their money like that! Makes no sense.
1) it's not true. Stop with the hyperbole and post some credible studies of most of people gaining weight back. Most stay on a maintenance dose for this reason.
2) We keep trying because we want to get/stay healthy. if you think that's a waste of money, that says a lot about your state of mind.
It’s not getting or staying healthy to be on any medicine for a lifetime. It’s a cheat.
Okay, don’t do it! You’re fine. This isn’t hurting you.
Exactly. I guess wearing glasses your whole life is cheating so you can see? Or wearing a hearing aid cheating to hear? GTFOH with that nonsense.
I think u need to find some better comparisons. No amount of will power is going to make someone’s eyesight or hearing better without some external mechanism. As opposed to weight loss, a person can still be doing something to lose weight. In fact, one must also change their lifestyle even when on these weight loss drugs if they want the weight loss to be permanent.
If someone is taking them purely for weight loss (like presumably some celebrities), then it is cheating. If someone is taking them bc they alrdy have diabetes or are pre diabetic or are still obese despite all efforts, that is not cheating.
And if someone is taking them bc they need to and it is medically prescribed, and they don’t change their eating and exercise regiment, then that’s really cheating. I’m assuming that few are doing this, at least I’d like to think so.
Cheating what? Trying to stay healthy isn't some game we are playing with shortcuts. Why do you care so much? Do you derive great satisfaction in being morally superior because of your weight?
Here is a real tip. People that are actually focused on their health and not what they look like don't GAF about any of these drugs. How they look is a bi-product of their efforts and they are usually more functionally healthy and strong than whatever the ideal body even looks like. People like you are just lame. Don't you have something else to focus on?
Calm down. You are very defensive and angry that you don’t see any of the valid points being made above about the proper use of these drugs.
It sounds like that you support/advocate its use even for those who don’t need it (like already thin celebrities). Unless you think the need to conform to society’s ideal sizes is “healthy”.
Anonymous
06/28/2023 21:08
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They gained ALL the weight back once they stop taking the meds.
+1000 so I'm not sure why they want to waste their money like that! Makes no sense.
1) it's not true. Stop with the hyperbole and post some credible studies of most of people gaining weight back. Most stay on a maintenance dose for this reason.
2) We keep trying because we want to get/stay healthy. if you think that's a waste of money, that says a lot about your state of mind.
It’s not getting or staying healthy to be on any medicine for a lifetime. It’s a cheat.
Okay, don’t do it! You’re fine. This isn’t hurting you.
Exactly. I guess wearing glasses your whole life is cheating so you can see? Or wearing a hearing aid cheating to hear? GTFOH with that nonsense.
I think u need to find some better comparisons. No amount of will power is going to make someone’s eyesight or hearing better without some external mechanism. As opposed to weight loss, a person can still be doing something to lose weight. In fact, one must also change their lifestyle even when on these weight loss drugs if they want the weight loss to be permanent.
If someone is taking them purely for weight loss (like presumably some celebrities), then it is cheating. If someone is taking them bc they alrdy have diabetes or are pre diabetic or are still obese despite all efforts, that is not cheating.
And if someone is taking them bc they need to and it is medically prescribed, and they don’t change their eating and exercise regiment, then that’s really cheating. I’m assuming that few are doing this, at least I’d like to think so.
Spoken by someone who doesn't understand that obesity is a DISEASE that willpower can't beat. Why are you so upset that others can get healthy with these meds? How does it affect you in any way, shape, or form? If you are a diabetic who cannot get the meds you need, you get to be mad at those who are using them and don't need it, just want it for vanity. But if there were enough for everyone, why would you care that some people need it and some want it for vanity?
Anonymous
06/28/2023 21:03
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They gained ALL the weight back once they stop taking the meds.
+1000 so I'm not sure why they want to waste their money like that! Makes no sense.
1) it's not true. Stop with the hyperbole and post some credible studies of most of people gaining weight back. Most stay on a maintenance dose for this reason.
2) We keep trying because we want to get/stay healthy. if you think that's a waste of money, that says a lot about your state of mind.
It’s not getting or staying healthy to be on any medicine for a lifetime. It’s a cheat.
I keep reading people referring to this take and I find it remarkable. While I firmly believe you are in the extreme minority in this opinion of yours, it’s still pathetic. Are you really that wrapped up in whatever it is you do to maintain whatever weight you maintain? Are you just a grouchy middle aged woman who is upset that the one thing setting you apart is now more easily achievable or something? Lame
After the drug, you still remain spiritually fat.
Anonymous
06/28/2023 21:00
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They gained ALL the weight back once they stop taking the meds.
+1000 so I'm not sure why they want to waste their money like that! Makes no sense.
1) it's not true. Stop with the hyperbole and post some credible studies of most of people gaining weight back. Most stay on a maintenance dose for this reason.
2) We keep trying because we want to get/stay healthy. if you think that's a waste of money, that says a lot about your state of mind.
It’s not getting or staying healthy to be on any medicine for a lifetime. It’s a cheat.
Okay, don’t do it! You’re fine. This isn’t hurting you.
Exactly. I guess wearing glasses your whole life is cheating so you can see? Or wearing a hearing aid cheating to hear? GTFOH with that nonsense.
I think u need to find some better comparisons. No amount of will power is going to make someone’s eyesight or hearing better without some external mechanism. As opposed to weight loss, a person can still be doing something to lose weight. In fact, one must also change their lifestyle even when on these weight loss drugs if they want the weight loss to be permanent.
If someone is taking them purely for weight loss (like presumably some celebrities), then it is cheating. If someone is taking them bc they alrdy have diabetes or are pre diabetic or are still obese despite all efforts, that is not cheating.
And if someone is taking them bc they need to and it is medically prescribed, and they don’t change their eating and exercise regiment, then that’s really cheating. I’m assuming that few are doing this, at least I’d like to think so.
Cheating what? Trying to stay healthy isn't some game we are playing with shortcuts. Why do you care so much? Do you derive great satisfaction in being morally superior because of your weight?
Here is a real tip. People that are actually focused on their health and not what they look like don't GAF about any of these drugs. How they look is a bi-product of their efforts and they are usually more functionally healthy and strong than whatever the ideal body even looks like. People like you are just lame. Don't you have something else to focus on?
Anonymous
06/28/2023 20:38
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They gained ALL the weight back once they stop taking the meds.
+1000 so I'm not sure why they want to waste their money like that! Makes no sense.
1) it's not true. Stop with the hyperbole and post some credible studies of most of people gaining weight back. Most stay on a maintenance dose for this reason.
2) We keep trying because we want to get/stay healthy. if you think that's a waste of money, that says a lot about your state of mind.
It’s not getting or staying healthy to be on any medicine for a lifetime. It’s a cheat.
Okay, don’t do it! You’re fine. This isn’t hurting you.
Exactly. I guess wearing glasses your whole life is cheating so you can see? Or wearing a hearing aid cheating to hear? GTFOH with that nonsense.
I think u need to find some better comparisons. No amount of will power is going to make someone’s eyesight or hearing better without some external mechanism. As opposed to weight loss, a person can still be doing something to lose weight. In fact, one must also change their lifestyle even when on these weight loss drugs if they want the weight loss to be permanent.
If someone is taking them purely for weight loss (like presumably some celebrities), then it is cheating. If someone is taking them bc they alrdy have diabetes or are pre diabetic or are still obese despite all efforts, that is not cheating.
And if someone is taking them bc they need to and it is medically prescribed, and they don’t change their eating and exercise regiment, then that’s really cheating. I’m assuming that few are doing this, at least I’d like to think so.
Anonymous
06/28/2023 20:11
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They gained ALL the weight back once they stop taking the meds.
+1000 so I'm not sure why they want to waste their money like that! Makes no sense.
1) it's not true. Stop with the hyperbole and post some credible studies of most of people gaining weight back. Most stay on a maintenance dose for this reason.
2) We keep trying because we want to get/stay healthy. if you think that's a waste of money, that says a lot about your state of mind.
It’s not getting or staying healthy to be on any medicine for a lifetime. It’s a cheat.
Okay, don’t do it! You’re fine. This isn’t hurting you.
Exactly. I guess wearing glasses your whole life is cheating so you can see? Or wearing a hearing aid cheating to hear? GTFOH with that nonsense.
Anonymous
06/28/2023 18:59
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They gained ALL the weight back once they stop taking the meds.
+1000 so I'm not sure why they want to waste their money like that! Makes no sense.
1) it's not true. Stop with the hyperbole and post some credible studies of most of people gaining weight back. Most stay on a maintenance dose for this reason.
2) We keep trying because we want to get/stay healthy. if you think that's a waste of money, that says a lot about your state of mind.
It’s not getting or staying healthy to be on any medicine for a lifetime. It’s a cheat.
I get it, PP. You’re just upset that there is no medicine to treat your stupidity. Maybe there will be a medical miracle some day. #thoughts&prayers
Anonymous
06/28/2023 18:50
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
Anonymous wrote:I’m probably hijacking this thread but for ppl who are prescribed these drugs, is there “food noise” “louder” than everyone else’s?
I’ve maintained my weight through years of regular exercise (6 times a week and even on vacation) and calorie counting and essentially just becoming incredibly familiar with reading labels and understanding macros, etc. Depending on the time of the month and the year, my “food noise” makes it very hard to stick with my food regimen, thus my weight fluctuates abt 10 pounds throughout the year. My weight “only” fluctuates 10 pounds bc I’m incredibly disciplined and get back on track quickly.
All this is to say I believe I work hard everyday to maintain my healthy weight. And honestly, if I can get my hands on those drugs, I would because maintaining this exercise and food regimen wears on you and it’s exhausting on top of work and kids, etc.
Anyway, is it my understanding that for those who are obese, the “food noise” is unsurmountable? Does that mean it’s like an addiction that can’t be controlled? Does it mean that their psychological capacity to be incredibly disciplined about exercise and their food regimen is lower than everyone else’s maybe bc of genetics or a disease?
I'm a person with a serious "food noise" issue, but I also lost 40 lbs the normal way when I was younger. I don't think it's just one factor: for example, I do think my childhood diet messed up something fundamental, and I do have a lot of obese or addicted relatives, but also I'm 43 now and my hormones are a mess so losing weight is harder anyway.
What I'll say about food noise and discipline is this: when I lost that 40 lbs, diet and fitness were my whole life. I didn't have kids or hobbies. Spouse and I worked out together and meal prepped together. I constantly thought about food then, too, I just spent literally all of my time dealing with it. At the time I was very proud to keep the weight off but looking back that was not a healthy way to live.
Anonymous
06/28/2023 18:46
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They gained ALL the weight back once they stop taking the meds.
+1000 so I'm not sure why they want to waste their money like that! Makes no sense.
1) it's not true. Stop with the hyperbole and post some credible studies of most of people gaining weight back. Most stay on a maintenance dose for this reason.
2) We keep trying because we want to get/stay healthy. if you think that's a waste of money, that says a lot about your state of mind.
It’s not getting or staying healthy to be on any medicine for a lifetime. It’s a cheat.
I have familial high cholesterol on my paternal line. I started having lipid panels as a toddler. I was placed on a statin at 23 when my unmedicated total cholesterol was about 300. I was then at the top end of acceptable BMI but I’m tall and athletic. Twenty years later, I’ll be on a statin for the rest of my life. What exactly am I cheating? A genetic heart attack?
Anonymous
06/28/2023 18:37
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They gained ALL the weight back once they stop taking the meds.
+1000 so I'm not sure why they want to waste their money like that! Makes no sense.
1) it's not true. Stop with the hyperbole and post some credible studies of most of people gaining weight back. Most stay on a maintenance dose for this reason.
2) We keep trying because we want to get/stay healthy. if you think that's a waste of money, that says a lot about your state of mind.
It’s not getting or staying healthy to be on any medicine for a lifetime. It’s a cheat.
I keep reading people referring to this take and I find it remarkable. While I firmly believe you are in the extreme minority in this opinion of yours, it’s still pathetic. Are you really that wrapped up in whatever it is you do to maintain whatever weight you maintain? Are you just a grouchy middle aged woman who is upset that the one thing setting you apart is now more easily achievable or something? Lame
Anonymous
06/28/2023 18:36
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
Anonymous wrote:I’m probably hijacking this thread but for ppl who are prescribed these drugs, is there “food noise” “louder” than everyone else’s?
I’ve maintained my weight through years of regular exercise (6 times a week and even on vacation) and calorie counting and essentially just becoming incredibly familiar with reading labels and understanding macros, etc. Depending on the time of the month and the year, my “food noise” makes it very hard to stick with my food regimen, thus my weight fluctuates abt 10 pounds throughout the year. My weight “only” fluctuates 10 pounds bc I’m incredibly disciplined and get back on track quickly.
All this is to say I believe I work hard everyday to maintain my healthy weight. And honestly, if I can get my hands on those drugs, I would because maintaining this exercise and food regimen wears on you and it’s exhausting on top of work and kids, etc.
Anyway, is it my understanding that for those who are obese, the “food noise” is unsurmountable? Does that mean it’s like an addiction that can’t be controlled? Does it mean that their psychological capacity to be incredibly disciplined about exercise and their food regimen is lower than everyone else’s maybe bc of genetics or a disease?
Same here. I’m tired of working my butt off to stay fit. I’d like to cheat, I fully admit, and I know most who use this aren’t cheating, they need it !
but realize others of us are exhausted and just want a day off once in a while FFS.
Anonymous
06/28/2023 18:29
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
I’m probably hijacking this thread but for ppl who are prescribed these drugs, is there “food noise” “louder” than everyone else’s?
I’ve maintained my weight through years of regular exercise (6 times a week and even on vacation) and calorie counting and essentially just becoming incredibly familiar with reading labels and understanding macros, etc. Depending on the time of the month and the year, my “food noise” makes it very hard to stick with my food regimen, thus my weight fluctuates abt 10 pounds throughout the year. My weight “only” fluctuates 10 pounds bc I’m incredibly disciplined and get back on track quickly.
All this is to say I believe I work hard everyday to maintain my healthy weight. And honestly, if I can get my hands on those drugs, I would because maintaining this exercise and food regimen wears on you and it’s exhausting on top of work and kids, etc.
Anyway, is it my understanding that for those who are obese, the “food noise” is unsurmountable? Does that mean it’s like an addiction that can’t be controlled? Does it mean that their psychological capacity to be incredibly disciplined about exercise and their food regimen is lower than everyone else’s maybe bc of genetics or a disease?
I’ve maintained my weight through years of regular exercise (6 times a week and even on vacation) and calorie counting and essentially just becoming incredibly familiar with reading labels and understanding macros, etc. Depending on the time of the month and the year, my “food noise” makes it very hard to stick with my food regimen, thus my weight fluctuates abt 10 pounds throughout the year. My weight “only” fluctuates 10 pounds bc I’m incredibly disciplined and get back on track quickly.
All this is to say I believe I work hard everyday to maintain my healthy weight. And honestly, if I can get my hands on those drugs, I would because maintaining this exercise and food regimen wears on you and it’s exhausting on top of work and kids, etc.
Anyway, is it my understanding that for those who are obese, the “food noise” is unsurmountable? Does that mean it’s like an addiction that can’t be controlled? Does it mean that their psychological capacity to be incredibly disciplined about exercise and their food regimen is lower than everyone else’s maybe bc of genetics or a disease?
Anonymous
06/28/2023 18:02
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They gained ALL the weight back once they stop taking the meds.
+1000 so I'm not sure why they want to waste their money like that! Makes no sense.
1) it's not true. Stop with the hyperbole and post some credible studies of most of people gaining weight back. Most stay on a maintenance dose for this reason.
2) We keep trying because we want to get/stay healthy. if you think that's a waste of money, that says a lot about your state of mind.
It’s not getting or staying healthy to be on any medicine for a lifetime. It’s a cheat.
I know, right? Like ritalin is a cheat. And SSRIs are a cheat and accutane is a cheat. Oh, wait. NONE of those are cheats, just like Wegovy is not a cheat. It is a medication that helps something that isn't going right in someone's body.
Anonymous
06/28/2023 16:17
Subject: Re:all the threads on weight loss medication
I needed to lose 40 lbs minimum. Down 25 after six months. I’m over 50 and plan on staying on a maintenance dose indefinitely once I get to my goal.
Anonymous
06/28/2023 16:16
Subject: all the threads on weight loss medication
so I am cheating by taking HBP medicine for twenty years and probably the rest of my life? What about my cholesterol medication? Or my DH’s arthritis medicine? Or m6 friend’s insulin? Are we really cheating because we will be on it for the rest of our lives?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They gained ALL the weight back once they stop taking the meds.
+1000 so I'm not sure why they want to waste their money like that! Makes no sense.
1) it's not true. Stop with the hyperbole and post some credible studies of most of people gaining weight back. Most stay on a maintenance dose for this reason.
2) We keep trying because we want to get/stay healthy. if you think that's a waste of money, that says a lot about your state of mind.
It’s not getting or staying healthy to be on any medicine for a lifetime. It’s a cheat.