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Anonymous wrote:It's a different type of bad. Private school kids, frankly, are mostly entitled little sh*ts.

I don't think anyone who has had experience teaching in both environments would have this as their main takeaway. Public school teachers are powerless and both the students and parents know it.

LOL, at least at Public we can get kids expelled if they f*** up bad enough. When I taught private, if daddy had enough $$$ it didn’t matter how much drugs they found in your backpack; you got 5 day vacation and a Very Stern Talking To.

But at least you weren't shot or violently attacked in those public schools. Consider yourself lucky.

What? Sadly neither private or public schools are immune from gun violence.

Sadly facts are not on your side.

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Anonymous wrote:Having taught public and private: private kids will look you in the eye and tell you how sorry they are that they did something wrong and they’ll never do it again, then do it again as soon as your back is turned.

Some people confuse this for respect.

Better than being assaulted by public school kids.

You're watching too much newsmax

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Anonymous wrote:They are better behaved because they can be kicked out. Whether that is the same as more respectful is a different question.

But the classroom experience is better, OP, if that’s your actual question.

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They also have parents who are not completely checked out.

Have you really never seen completely checked out rich parents? I went to fancy schools growing up and had several friends whose parents sent them to expensive schools but otherwise didn't give a shit about them and hardly interacted with them, the schools, other parents, etc. The kids were fending for themselves, they just weren't poor.

So kids are both neglected and entitled? Seems like this would help the kids develop "grit" talked about so often here.

Yes, both. But developing grit? No, few kids going to expensive privates have any opportunities for that.

Your class prejudice is blinding you. You are simply wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a different type of bad. Private school kids, frankly, are mostly entitled little sh*ts.

I don't think anyone who has had experience teaching in both environments would have this as their main takeaway. Public school teachers are powerless and both the students and parents know it.

LOL, at least at Public we can get kids expelled if they f*** up bad enough. When I taught private, if daddy had enough $$$ it didn’t matter how much drugs they found in your backpack; you got 5 day vacation and a Very Stern Talking To.

But at least you weren't shot or violently attacked in those public schools. Consider yourself lucky.

What? Sadly neither private or public schools are immune from gun violence.

Having a kid in each, and subbed in both, my sense is the top half of kids in a public school classroom are basically indistinguishable from kids in a private school classroom. They're respectful, hardworking, smart, and even say thank you. Their parents are involved, caring, and helpful.

The issue, of course, is that the public school has to accept all of the kids, so there are kids with behaviors in a public school classroom that would never be tolerated in a private school classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a different type of bad. Private school kids, frankly, are mostly entitled little sh*ts.

I don't think anyone who has had experience teaching in both environments would have this as their main takeaway. Public school teachers are powerless and both the students and parents know it.

LOL, at least at Public we can get kids expelled if they f*** up bad enough. When I taught private, if daddy had enough $$$ it didn’t matter how much drugs they found in your backpack; you got 5 day vacation and a Very Stern Talking To.

But at least you weren't shot or violently attacked in those public schools. Consider yourself lucky.

Anonymous wrote:Having taught public and private: private kids will look you in the eye and tell you how sorry they are that they did something wrong and they’ll never do it again, then do it again as soon as your back is turned.

Some people confuse this for respect.

Better than being assaulted by public school kids.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a different type of bad. Private school kids, frankly, are mostly entitled little sh*ts.

I don't think anyone who has had experience teaching in both environments would have this as their main takeaway. Public school teachers are powerless and both the students and parents know it.

LOL, at least at Public we can get kids expelled if they f*** up bad enough. When I taught private, if daddy had enough $$$ it didn’t matter how much drugs they found in your backpack; you got 5 day vacation and a Very Stern Talking To.

I have only taught at public school so I can’t speak to private school. The answer probably also depends on whether you are talking about elementary vs. middle vs. high school.
I teach at a diverse race and mixed income high school and kids are generally pretty respectful.

No kid has ever used curse words at me. They definitely try to test the teachers to see what they can get away with but once they get familiar with me, they mostly settle down. I put a lot of effort into setting expectations and creating a classroom culture but I imagine I would have to do that in private as well (to a lesser degree). Being a sub is not the easiest in public school but the kids are not usually rude to subs. The sub pay in public is pretty low but I don’t know how it compares with private school sub pay. Teachers greatly appreciate good subs though as they are hard to find. And if the kids give you a hard time, you should leave a note for the teacher as the teacher will get mad at the students for disrespecting the subs.

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Anonymous wrote:Having taught public and private: private kids will look you in the eye and tell you how sorry they are that they did something wrong and they’ll never do it again, then do it again as soon as your back is turned.

Some people confuse this for respect.

Or maybe it's poor impulse control because we're talking about kids. But that sounds better than a kid refusing to apologize, doing the wrong thing again anyway, and asking what you're going to do about it knowing you're actually powerless. Private school kids know they can be shown the door.

I’d rather a kid tell me to f*** off and keep doing what they’re doing than lie to my face and keep doing what they’re doing. But then that type of two-faced behavior is a pillar of the privates where I worked, so it tracks.

That certainly hasn’t been my experience working in a private school. I remember being shocked at the “thank yous” I got at the end of my first lesson and every lesson after that.

I am not in the habit of insulting large groups of people, either public OR private school kids. My comments above even noted how respectful some of the public school students I have taught were. They were, unfortunately, drowned out by obnoxious behaviors from other students who knew there were no consequences.

My experiences, overall, are that kids are better behaved at my current private, where they understand expectations and follow the rules. They aren’t perfect, but they are KIDS. I don’t see this two-faced behavior that you are claim is a “pillar” of privates and I’m sorry that was your experience.

Yes, it's better. Try Christ Episcopal School. Very well behaved kids and lots of accountability and character built into the curriculum and day to day activities.

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Anonymous wrote:Having taught public and private: private kids will look you in the eye and tell you how sorry they are that they did something wrong and they’ll never do it again, then do it again as soon as your back is turned.

Some people confuse this for respect.

Or maybe it's poor impulse control because we're talking about kids. But that sounds better than a kid refusing to apologize, doing the wrong thing again anyway, and asking what you're going to do about it knowing you're actually powerless. Private school kids know they can be shown the door.

I’d rather a kid tell me to f*** off and keep doing what they’re doing than lie to my face and keep doing what they’re doing. But then that type of two-faced behavior is a pillar of the privates where I worked, so it tracks.

I left a private k-8 school crying the kids were so rude. They laughed at me multiple times when I asked them to do something. Horrible.

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Anonymous wrote:They are better behaved because they can be kicked out. Whether that is the same as more respectful is a different question.

But the classroom experience is better, OP, if that’s your actual question.

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They also have parents who are not completely checked out.

Have you really never seen completely checked out rich parents? I went to fancy schools growing up and had several friends whose parents sent them to expensive schools but otherwise didn't give a shit about them and hardly interacted with them, the schools, other parents, etc. The kids were fending for themselves, they just weren't poor.

So kids are both neglected and entitled? Seems like this would help the kids develop "grit" talked about so often here.

Yes, both. But developing grit? No, few kids going to expensive privates have any opportunities for that.

Yet somehow private school teachers report higher job satisfaction than public school teachers. But I'm sure you know best with your vast experience that one time you were in fancy schools.

You are assuming the immediate PP is the one who went to a fancy school but you are mistaken. I do agree with them that rich kids can be both neglected and entitled. Not a comment on teacher satisfaction. I have a good deal of experience observing kids in fancy schools over a number of years. You?

I don’t need to observe rich kids to know them and their secret ways, lol. But you clearly do. Tell us more about your observations. Im sure it will be fascinating. But also completely off topic.

Sure, it’s off-topic. It’s DCUM. Threads wander off-topic, or hadn’t you noticed? Someone said kids are more respectful because their parents are more engaged and someone else said some parents are not engaged at all and someone else questioned that, asking how kids can be spoiled and neglected at the same time. I offered my experience. See how that works?

But still the kids are mere respectful despite whatever deep insights I’m sure your limited experience could provide. Sorry that hurts.

You are not following the thread very well. I didn’t comment on the respectful issue. I commented that kids attending expensive private schools can be both neglected and entitled. And most have few opportunities to develop grit.

Thank you for your concern but this sort of discussion doesn’t hurt me at all. Par for the course.

Nobody cares except you. You're avoiding the issue at hand because it doesn't allow you to dump on rich kids.

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Anonymous wrote:They are better behaved because they can be kicked out. Whether that is the same as more respectful is a different question.

But the classroom experience is better, OP, if that’s your actual question.

+1

They also have parents who are not completely checked out.

Have you really never seen completely checked out rich parents? I went to fancy schools growing up and had several friends whose parents sent them to expensive schools but otherwise didn't give a shit about them and hardly interacted with them, the schools, other parents, etc. The kids were fending for themselves, they just weren't poor.

So kids are both neglected and entitled? Seems like this would help the kids develop "grit" talked about so often here.

Yes, both. But developing grit? No, few kids going to expensive privates have any opportunities for that.

Yet somehow private school teachers report higher job satisfaction than public school teachers. But I'm sure you know best with your vast experience that one time you were in fancy schools.

You are assuming the immediate PP is the one who went to a fancy school but you are mistaken. I do agree with them that rich kids can be both neglected and entitled. Not a comment on teacher satisfaction. I have a good deal of experience observing kids in fancy schools over a number of years. You?

I don’t need to observe rich kids to know them and their secret ways, lol. But you clearly do. Tell us more about your observations. Im sure it will be fascinating. But also completely off topic.

Sure, it’s off-topic. It’s DCUM. Threads wander off-topic, or hadn’t you noticed? Someone said kids are more respectful because their parents are more engaged and someone else said some parents are not engaged at all and someone else questioned that, asking how kids can be spoiled and neglected at the same time. I offered my experience. See how that works?

But still the kids are mere respectful despite whatever deep insights I’m sure your limited experience could provide. Sorry that hurts.

You are not following the thread very well. I didn’t comment on the respectful issue. I commented that kids attending expensive private schools can be both neglected and entitled. And most have few opportunities to develop grit.

Thank you for your concern but this sort of discussion doesn’t hurt me at all. Par for the course.