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Anonymous wrote:And you really can’t be a an effective consultant until you’ve had experience first, how can a 21-year-old consult a business on their practices when they have no business experience themselves?

This. I work with a company that recently hired consultants to consult on a new project that I am involved in. Both of them are in their mid 20s and per LinkedIn went directly from undergrad to grad school with no real work experience. They have NO idea what they are talking about....and it is clear they are over their heads trying to give a bunch of folks in their 40s, 50s, 60s who have worked here for decades direction.

And it isn't that I don't like consultants - DH is one. But he worked in the industry for decades before transitioning over to consulting.

Curious how this works- do companies seriously pay 20 something year olds with little to no real world experience to come and give advice? I can't imagine the folly.

This cannot be MBB Consulting or Deloitte level… must be a small shop?… The big consultancies would never allow a mid 20’s kid to be client facing… The junior consultants are in a back room at the client site or are remote doing number crunching and modeling to provide senior consultants with information, presentations, governance models, process models, etc etc

What? At MBB/Deloitte level, 22 year old’s with just a BS are client facing from day 1.

Sitting in the room or zoom call mute is not the client facing I am talking about. In all my engagements, it is clear who is allowed to lead the conversation and who is taking notes. That’s what I mean by Client Facing

This. You're sitting in the room, advancing the slides, taking notes, you're not actively presenting at 22 as a junior associate level grunt. You probably put the presentation together but it's not your job to present, yet. There's a lot of on the job training and you get more responsibility as you progress.

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Anonymous wrote:And you really can’t be a an effective consultant until you’ve had experience first, how can a 21-year-old consult a business on their practices when they have no business experience themselves?

This. I work with a company that recently hired consultants to consult on a new project that I am involved in. Both of them are in their mid 20s and per LinkedIn went directly from undergrad to grad school with no real work experience. They have NO idea what they are talking about....and it is clear they are over their heads trying to give a bunch of folks in their 40s, 50s, 60s who have worked here for decades direction.

And it isn't that I don't like consultants - DH is one. But he worked in the industry for decades before transitioning over to consulting.

Curious how this works- do companies seriously pay 20 something year olds with little to no real world experience to come and give advice? I can't imagine the folly.

This cannot be MBB Consulting or Deloitte level… must be a small shop?… The big consultancies would never allow a mid 20’s kid to be client facing… The junior consultants are in a back room at the client site or are remote doing number crunching and modeling to provide senior consultants with information, presentations, governance models, process models, etc etc

What? At MBB/Deloitte level, 22 year old’s with just a BS are client facing from day 1.

Sitting in the room or zoom call mute is not the client facing I am talking about. In all my engagements, it is clear who is allowed to lead the conversation and who is taking notes. That’s what I mean by Client Facing

Consultants are more or less worthless, hire experts to consult but do not hire consultants.

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Anonymous wrote:These jobs are a scourge on society

Why?

They don't do/provide anything useful or of value directly.

They pretend to help/facilitate useful/valuable work/workers but that's as close as it gets.

Aside from IB, Consultants have some of the highest starting salaries out of undergrad. That’s what most young kids are chasing. Most go into Consulting knowing that over 3-4 years they will kill themselves, travel over 50%, some will travel every Sun to Thurs, but they learn a ton, gain outstanding training, and then pull the chute on an exit strategy to go into the field or industry they want.

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Anonymous wrote:And you really can’t be a an effective consultant until you’ve had experience first, how can a 21-year-old consult a business on their practices when they have no business experience themselves?

This. I work with a company that recently hired consultants to consult on a new project that I am involved in. Both of them are in their mid 20s and per LinkedIn went directly from undergrad to grad school with no real work experience. They have NO idea what they are talking about....and it is clear they are over their heads trying to give a bunch of folks in their 40s, 50s, 60s who have worked here for decades direction.

And it isn't that I don't like consultants - DH is one. But he worked in the industry for decades before transitioning over to consulting.

Curious how this works- do companies seriously pay 20 something year olds with little to no real world experience to come and give advice? I can't imagine the folly.

This cannot be MBB Consulting or Deloitte level… must be a small shop?… The big consultancies would never allow a mid 20’s kid to be client facing… The junior consultants are in a back room at the client site or are remote doing number crunching and modeling to provide senior consultants with information, presentations, governance models, process models, etc etc

What? At MBB/Deloitte level, 22 year old’s with just a BS are client facing from day 1.

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Anonymous wrote:And you really can’t be a an effective consultant until you’ve had experience first, how can a 21-year-old consult a business on their practices when they have no business experience themselves?

Most consultants worked in the field first and get paid big bucks later to consult with that expertise they obtained.

Tell me you know nothing about management consulting, which is clearly what OP is inquiring about.

I dont think OP knows…

But if that’s the case get a business info tech degree and go to booz Allen. 😂

Which is a great outcome.

Finance or Econ. If they go to a top 50 school then it'll be a lot easier to break into consulting and they have more leeway on major

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Anonymous wrote:And you really can’t be a an effective consultant until you’ve had experience first, how can a 21-year-old consult a business on their practices when they have no business experience themselves?

This. I work with a company that recently hired consultants to consult on a new project that I am involved in. Both of them are in their mid 20s and per LinkedIn went directly from undergrad to grad school with no real work experience. They have NO idea what they are talking about....and it is clear they are over their heads trying to give a bunch of folks in their 40s, 50s, 60s who have worked here for decades direction.

And it isn't that I don't like consultants - DH is one. But he worked in the industry for decades before transitioning over to consulting.

Curious how this works- do companies seriously pay 20 something year olds with little to no real world experience to come and give advice? I can't imagine the folly.

This cannot be MBB Consulting or Deloitte level… must be a small shop?… The big consultancies would never allow a mid 20’s kid to be client facing… The junior consultants are in a back room at the client site or are remote doing number crunching and modeling to provide senior consultants with information, presentations, governance models, process models, etc etc

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Anonymous wrote:And you really can’t be a an effective consultant until you’ve had experience first, how can a 21-year-old consult a business on their practices when they have no business experience themselves?

Most consultants worked in the field first and get paid big bucks later to consult with that expertise they obtained.

Tell me you know nothing about management consulting, which is clearly what OP is inquiring about.

I dont think OP knows…

But if that’s the case get a business info tech degree and go to booz Allen. 😂

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Anonymous wrote:And you really can’t be a an effective consultant until you’ve had experience first, how can a 21-year-old consult a business on their practices when they have no business experience themselves?

Most consultants worked in the field first and get paid big bucks later to consult with that expertise they obtained.

Tell me you know nothing about management consulting, which is clearly what OP is inquiring about.

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Anonymous wrote:And you really can’t be a an effective consultant until you’ve had experience first, how can a 21-year-old consult a business on their practices when they have no business experience themselves?

This. I work with a company that recently hired consultants to consult on a new project that I am involved in. Both of them are in their mid 20s and per LinkedIn went directly from undergrad to grad school with no real work experience. They have NO idea what they are talking about....and it is clear they are over their heads trying to give a bunch of folks in their 40s, 50s, 60s who have worked here for decades direction.

And it isn't that I don't like consultants - DH is one. But he worked in the industry for decades before transitioning over to consulting.

Curious how this works- do companies seriously pay 20 something year olds with little to no real world experience to come and give advice? I can't imagine the folly.

Anonymous wrote:And you really can’t be a an effective consultant until you’ve had experience first, how can a 21-year-old consult a business on their practices when they have no business experience themselves?

This. I work with a company that recently hired consultants to consult on a new project that I am involved in. Both of them are in their mid 20s and per LinkedIn went directly from undergrad to grad school with no real work experience. They have NO idea what they are talking about....and it is clear they are over their heads trying to give a bunch of folks in their 40s, 50s, 60s who have worked here for decades direction.

And it isn't that I don't like consultants - DH is one. But he worked in the industry for decades before transitioning over to consulting.

econ + info management + data science

Anonymous wrote:And you really can’t be a an effective consultant until you’ve had experience first, how can a 21-year-old consult a business on their practices when they have no business experience themselves?

Most consultants worked in the field first and get paid big bucks later to consult with that expertise they obtained.