Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 17:27     Subject: Vocal fry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait, Wtf is Vocal Fry?




Wow. I have a niece (age 24) who talks just like that. So annoying.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 17:02     Subject: Vocal fry
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Anonymous wrote:It’s so unprofessional of people to speak in a way I’ve decreed is annoying! I just can’t take them seriously. Don’t they know how rude it is not to satisfy my arbitrary preference for how women are supposed to sound?


The fact is, being affected always sounds kind of stupid to those who dislike pretension. I should try be compassionate and remind myself they’re probably doing it because they think it sounds intelligent and they don’t trust themselves to be natural.

It’s not affected in some people. It’s how they talk. It’s a pattern of speaking that many people of picked up on without having conscious control over it. Like an accent.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 16:46     Subject: Vocal fry
Anonymous wrote:Wait, Wtf is Vocal Fry?


Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 16:42     Subject: Vocal fry
Anonymous wrote:It’s so unprofessional of people to speak in a way I’ve decreed is annoying! I just can’t take them seriously. Don’t they know how rude it is not to satisfy my arbitrary preference for how women are supposed to sound?


The fact is, being affected always sounds kind of stupid to those who dislike pretension. I should try be compassionate and remind myself they’re probably doing it because they think it sounds intelligent and they don’t trust themselves to be natural.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 16:34     Subject: Vocal fry
Elizabeth Holmes just deepens her voice. “Vocal Fry” sounds kinda growly like the “tough” boys (& girls) in an old greaser movie. In that context it is usually accompanied by smoking. Trope that implies a teen that wants to put out streetwise knowing vibes.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 15:48     Subject: Vocal fry
You mean like Elizabeth Holmes used to talk when she wanted to sound assertive?
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 15:01     Subject: Vocal fry
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Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of people policing how millennial women speak. You can understand them perfectly. They don't say "like" every other word and you know perfectly well what they mean when they use "literally" well, not literally. Vocal fry is some dumb thing invented by old American studies intellectuals who just want something to b itch about.


Uhm no. Speak properly and no one will care. When you adopt annoying habits such as vocal fry (endemic with millennial women) people are going to notice and say something. In short, stop being annoying and no one will be annoyed.



It's the say with women who have to say "uhm, eh, meh, uh, so, and like". stop it. Use short declarative sentences. don't start a post here with "Um, Meh or Eh". be concise
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 14:55     Subject: Vocal fry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There’s also the (maybe compensatory) overly precise sound recently heard in young, educated women:
S’s that pierce the ears, as a steam leak
Overly percussive T’s that sound like a small, sharp nails being hammered into hard wood.


Were they drama/theater types? They likely were, especially if it's combined with big, emphasized facial expressions. Sometimes they teach you to practice this and do exercises with hitting your ts, etc. ...when you are on stage, your voice needs to be very precise and project...you also need big, deliberate expressions.


I've recently heard it from highly educated young women (graduate students in psychology, history etc.) who speak with little expression, using a flat, hard voice. One of them corrected me for not using my pronouns on my Zoom tag, and I felt like I was in fourth grade again. (Except that in fourth grade school I was being lectured for using the pronoun "they" to refer to a singular person, and I could have been mocked for "hissing like a snake.")
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 14:42     Subject: Re:Vocal fry
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Anonymous wrote:We have two women with extremely pronounced vocal fry addictions. I have to skip my meetings with them. The other thing I do is say "what? I didn't understand what you said - it wasn't clear"
Over and over.

Can you really, truly not understand them? Because if you can, and you just don't like the way they talk, you're a jerk.


Vocal fry is a documented speech disorder.

In the business world, it's worse than upspeak.


No it's not.


https://laryngopedia.com/vocal-fry-dysphonia/


If you listen to the audio he actually says that vocal fry isn’t the real dysphonia
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 14:38     Subject: Vocal fry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There’s also the (maybe compensatory) overly precise sound recently heard in young, educated women:
S’s that pierce the ears, as a steam leak
Overly percussive T’s that sound like a small, sharp nails being hammered into hard wood.


Were they drama/theater types? They likely were, especially if it's combined with big, emphasized facial expressions. Sometimes they teach you to practice this and do exercises with hitting your ts, etc. ...when you are on stage, your voice needs to be very precise and project...you also need big, deliberate expressions.


Humanities grads (History for one) from top tier schools on the East Coast
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 14:24     Subject: Vocal fry
It’s so unprofessional of people to speak in a way I’ve decreed is annoying! I just can’t take them seriously. Don’t they know how rude it is not to satisfy my arbitrary preference for how women are supposed to sound?
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 14:22     Subject: Vocal fry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait, Wtf is Vocal Fry?


+1. I never really understood. Can someone give some specific examples?


It’s when mostly women use the very low frequency in their voices in an unnatural way and it sounds stuttered and gravelly. I think a lot of women do it because they’re self conscious about their voice sounding too high and girly but I don’t know if that’s actually why it’s become more common. Look up Zoe Chace. In general I think vocal fry being an ear grating epidemic is overblown, but I genuinely find it hard to listen to her because of her vocal fry.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 14:20     Subject: Vocal fry
Think of the beginning of Britney Spears “hit me baby one more time” she says oh baby baby. It’s the lowest range of your voice sounds like it’s crackling.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 14:11     Subject: Vocal fry
Anonymous wrote:Wait, Wtf is Vocal Fry?


+1. I never really understood. Can someone give some specific examples?
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 13:53     Subject: Vocal fry
Wait, Wtf is Vocal Fry?