Anonymous wrote:Describe an academic top 1%? How many are there? Why they don't make into ivies?

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Anonymous wrote:Simple. Meets ALL of the following criteria

Within the first five ranks in a class size of over 500
Scores of over 1550 SAT or 35 ACT in a single attempt. No super scoring.
Scores 5 in most of the 8 or more AP tests taken
Scores of over 750 in every one of Subject tests if taken

Very likely around 5,000-10,000 max such students in the whole country. So not many You could easily accommodate every one of them in the top ten schools. But then the diversity goals of the schools would be violated, so they are rejected routinely in favor of less academically accomplished students through all kinds of twisted rationalizations.

You nuts. They don't get into the top schools because even the very top schools are looking for more than this. They want diversity but not racial -- they want geographic, right mix in the majors, gender -- can't have all girls or guys, sports, music, art.

If you think that diverse people are taking slots from these kids you are crazy.

dp.. what? They want racial diversity, too.

Anonymous wrote:Simple. Meets ALL of the following criteria

Within the first five ranks in a class size of over 500
Scores of over 1550 SAT or 35 ACT in a single attempt. No super scoring.
Scores 5 in most of the 8 or more AP tests taken
Scores of over 750 in every one of Subject tests if taken

Very likely around 5,000-10,000 max such students in the whole country. So not many You could easily accommodate every one of them in the top ten schools. But then the diversity goals of the schools would be violated, so they are rejected routinely in favor of less academically accomplished students through all kinds of twisted rationalizations.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.

Do the math, most of them should be able to get in t20 schools though.

I personally think T60 is pretty much great.

But they can’t take just the top 1% academically and fill their classes. They can’t get the musicians artists writers, and yes, athletes if they just take the top one percent which would be overly weighted with students with strong math skills because you can’t score that high without being a polymath.

And for the record, I believe that a large percentage of those kids do make up the top 20. If you look at the stats each school publishes you will see that is the case.

No, there stats they publish do not include all students.

Your tinfoil hat is showing.

They say what percent report scores in the CDS, don't they?

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Anonymous wrote:Simple. Meets ALL of the following criteria

Within the first five ranks in a class size of over 500
Scores of over 1550 SAT or 35 ACT in a single attempt. No super scoring.
Scores 5 in most of the 8 or more AP tests taken
Scores of over 750 in every one of Subject tests if taken

Very likely around 5,000-10,000 max such students in the whole country. So not many You could easily accommodate every one of them in the top ten schools. But then the diversity goals of the schools would be violated, so they are rejected routinely in favor of less academically accomplished students through all kinds of twisted rationalizations.

As someone who used to be an academic star in high school back when tutoring wasn't so prevalent, when I read your list, my mind mentally automatically adds up the hours/$$ of tutoring/prep and the parental involvement for most of the kids on your list to achieve those "accomplishments."
Yes, some will have done it naturally. They are the real thing. Others were hoisted there, going past others who may not have had that support. It's a game now and I don't take the things you list at face value anymore.

Indeed, how many hours and $$ in private coaches have kids/parents spent for recruited athletes ?

Hey spend your money where you want.
Just don't think that Junior is being cheated because he is a genius and the others who are let in aren't.

Indeed, but parents who spend money on activities and sports to make their kids stand out in college admissions are just as guilty as parents spending money on tutors in terms of trying gaming the system.

No one is guilty and no one is gaming the system unless by that you mean follow the rules.

Tell that to the PP who thinks parents spending money on academic pursuits for better admissions results into an academic institution is a game.

The system is broken when people can game the system by hiring private coaches and pay for amazing extra curricular activities that make one stand out. It is a game.

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Anonymous wrote:Simple. Meets ALL of the following criteria

Within the first five ranks in a class size of over 500
Scores of over 1550 SAT or 35 ACT in a single attempt. No super scoring.
Scores 5 in most of the 8 or more AP tests taken
Scores of over 750 in every one of Subject tests if taken

Very likely around 5,000-10,000 max such students in the whole country. So not many You could easily accommodate every one of them in the top ten schools. But then the diversity goals of the schools would be violated, so they are rejected routinely in favor of less academically accomplished students through all kinds of twisted rationalizations.

As someone who used to be an academic star in high school back when tutoring wasn't so prevalent, when I read your list, my mind mentally automatically adds up the hours/$$ of tutoring/prep and the parental involvement for most of the kids on your list to achieve those "accomplishments."
Yes, some will have done it naturally. They are the real thing. Others were hoisted there, going past others who may not have had that support. It's a game now and I don't take the things you list at face value anymore.

Indeed, how many hours and $$ in private coaches have kids/parents spent for recruited athletes ?

Hey spend your money where you want.
Just don't think that Junior is being cheated because he is a genius and the others who are let in aren't.

Indeed, but parents who spend money on activities and sports to make their kids stand out in college admissions are just as guilty as parents spending money on tutors in terms of trying gaming the system.

No one is guilty and no one is gaming the system unless by that you mean follow the rules.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.

No one said anything about ivies. Great schools but they are not MIT.

You mean the MIT that recruits athletes and super scores? That MIT?

Or the test optional Cal Tech?

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Anonymous wrote:Simple. Meets ALL of the following criteria

Within the first five ranks in a class size of over 500
Scores of over 1550 SAT or 35 ACT in a single attempt. No super scoring.
Scores 5 in most of the 8 or more AP tests taken
Scores of over 750 in every one of Subject tests if taken

Very likely around 5,000-10,000 max such students in the whole country. So not many You could easily accommodate every one of them in the top ten schools. But then the diversity goals of the schools would be violated, so they are rejected routinely in favor of less academically accomplished students through all kinds of twisted rationalizations.

You nuts. They don't get into the top schools because even the very top schools are looking for more than this. They want diversity but not racial -- they want geographic, right mix in the majors, gender -- can't have all girls or guys, sports, music, art.

If you think that diverse people are taking slots from these kids you are crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Simple. Meets ALL of the following criteria

Within the first five ranks in a class size of over 500
Scores of over 1550 SAT or 35 ACT in a single attempt. No super scoring.
Scores 5 in most of the 8 or more AP tests taken
Scores of over 750 in every one of Subject tests if taken

Very likely around 5,000-10,000 max such students in the whole country. So not many You could easily accommodate every one of them in the top ten schools. But then the diversity goals of the schools would be violated, so they are rejected routinely in favor of less academically accomplished students through all kinds of twisted rationalizations.

As someone who used to be an academic star in high school back when tutoring wasn't so prevalent, when I read your list, my mind mentally automatically adds up the hours/$$ of tutoring/prep and the parental involvement for most of the kids on your list to achieve those "accomplishments."
Yes, some will have done it naturally. They are the real thing. Others were hoisted there, going past others who may not have had that support. It's a game now and I don't take the things you list at face value anymore.

Indeed, how many hours and $$ in private coaches have kids/parents spent for recruited athletes ?

Hey spend your money where you want.
Just don't think that Junior is being cheated because he is a genius and the others who are let in aren't.

Indeed, but parents who spend money on activities and sports to make their kids stand out in college admissions are just as guilty as parents spending money on tutors in terms of trying gaming the system.

No one is guilty and no one is gaming the system unless by that you mean follow the rules.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.

No one said anything about ivies. Great schools but they are not MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:Simple. Meets ALL of the following criteria

Within the first five ranks in a class size of over 500
Scores of over 1550 SAT or 35 ACT in a single attempt. No super scoring.
Scores 5 in most of the 8 or more AP tests taken
Scores of over 750 in every one of Subject tests if taken

Very likely around 5,000-10,000 max such students in the whole country. So not many You could easily accommodate every one of them in the top ten schools. But then the diversity goals of the schools would be violated, so they are rejected routinely in favor of less academically accomplished students through all kinds of twisted rationalizations.

As someone who used to be an academic star in high school back when tutoring wasn't so prevalent, when I read your list, my mind mentally automatically adds up the hours/$$ of tutoring/prep and the parental involvement for most of the kids on your list to achieve those "accomplishments."
Yes, some will have done it naturally. They are the real thing. Others were hoisted there, going past others who may not have had that support. It's a game now and I don't take the things you list at face value anymore.

Indeed, how many hours and $$ in private coaches have kids/parents spent for recruited athletes ?

Hey spend your money where you want.
Just don't think that Junior is being cheated because he is a genius and the others who are let in aren't.

Indeed, but parents who spend money on activities and sports to make their kids stand out in college admissions are just as guilty as parents spending money on tutors in terms of trying gaming the system.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.

Do the math, most of them should be able to get in t20 schools though.

I personally think T60 is pretty much great.

But they can’t take just the top 1% academically and fill their classes. They can’t get the musicians artists writers, and yes, athletes if they just take the top one percent which would be overly weighted with students with strong math skills because you can’t score that high without being a polymath.

And for the record, I believe that a large percentage of those kids do make up the top 20. If you look at the stats each school publishes you will see that is the case.

You said do the math so I did the math. I agree mostly, but the colleges should be more transparent.
For example, If they need musicians playing certain instruments thisyear, say so.
So if I play another instrument, I can save my money and time and effort, apply somewhere else.

Anonymous wrote:Simple. Meets ALL of the following criteria

Within the first five ranks in a class size of over 500
Scores of over 1550 SAT or 35 ACT in a single attempt. No super scoring.
Scores 5 in most of the 8 or more AP tests taken
Scores of over 750 in every one of Subject tests if taken

Very likely around 5,000-10,000 max such students in the whole country. So not many You could easily accommodate every one of them in the top ten schools. But then the diversity goals of the schools would be violated, so they are rejected routinely in favor of less academically accomplished students through all kinds of twisted rationalizations.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.

No one said anything about ivies. Great schools but they are not MIT.

Anonymous wrote:Come on guys just do basic math. 3.6 million students graduate each year and 1% of that is 36,000 correct? And that’s nearly double what the ivy league can take each year.

When you consider that top schools take from well beyond the top 1% to fulfill their needs do you realize it’s a simple math problem and rearranging the deck chairs will not suddenly result in no one feeling that they were cheated.

The nirvana you think you seek is only possible if applicants realize that there are more than 20 great colleges in the country and that if they are a top performer, they are likely to get into one.