Anonymous
05/04/2023 09:48
Subject: DS can't run...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Running Hs cross country will NOT get him there. He needs to run a mile FAST. This means lots of sprints. Yes, talk to the coach, but also, go to the track and practice running short, fast distances on repeat.
This is all wrong. HS XC is the way to get the running fitness. Sprinting is a different animal altogether.
- Track coach
XC paces are far slower than a 5:20 mile.
No, they're not. Have ever been to a HS XC meet? Boys run a 5k and 16-17 min finish times are common. A 5:20 miles for most of these guys is a cake walk.
Well, now I am super impressed by hs xc.
PP is wrong. Most high school runners are nowhere near 5:20.
From an XC and track perspective 5:20 is an okay time for a freshman. It is very attainable for anyone who trains a little. If I had to give a loose parameter I would say 4:50 or better is "varsity caliber" with lots of local kids running in the 4:20s and 30s. 4:50-5:10 is firmly JV. Anyone over 5:10 is just along for the ride. Not uncommon for the top local HS teams to have 20+ sub 5 milers.
In XC, 5:20 pace for a 5k is pretty quick. It would usually put you right around the bubble for Top 25 in each state classification (generalizing here because each course/field is different)
You must have a very fast school. For the VHSL 6A state championships, 2 runners had their second mile under 5:20, no one was had even a single mile better than 4:41, there were no sub 4:30 miles at all
https://va.milesplit.com/meets/462160-vhsl-class-6-state-xc-meet-2022/results/865064#.ZFOutOzMKWs
Not talking about averaging 5:20 a mile for a 5k but rather a kid that runs a 5k in say, 17:30 or even an 18 flat, is easily able to run a single mile in 5:20. ie what you might expect a time in one race/distance(5k) to TRANSLATE to a different distance(1 mile).
Anonymous
05/04/2023 09:34
Subject: DS can't run...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:He needs a 5:20 mile, but if he's in good shape that's doable. Work on running and see where he his and he just needs to know that when it's timed he needs to go flat out even if it means falling over right after he finishes.
OMG, no. This is not true.
--USNA grad and interviewer of service academy applicants
5:20 is to max out the run, right?
-wife of a naval officer who has never come CLOSE to that
Anonymous
05/04/2023 09:33
Subject: DS can't run...
Anonymous wrote:My second grader can run a 6 minute mile and he’s tall
Good for him.
Anonymous
05/04/2023 09:21
Subject: DS can't run...
My second grader can run a 6 minute mile and he’s tall
Anonymous
05/04/2023 09:19
Subject: DS can't run...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m so confused . He is at a 7 now
He needs to be under a 5:20 for admissions.
??? where are you getting this from???
--grad again
Anonymous
05/04/2023 09:18
Subject: DS can't run...
Anonymous wrote:He needs a 5:20 mile, but if he's in good shape that's doable. Work on running and see where he his and he just needs to know that when it's timed he needs to go flat out even if it means falling over right after he finishes.
OMG, no. This is not true.
--USNA grad and interviewer of service academy applicants
Anonymous
05/04/2023 09:13
Subject: DS can't run...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Running Hs cross country will NOT get him there. He needs to run a mile FAST. This means lots of sprints. Yes, talk to the coach, but also, go to the track and practice running short, fast distances on repeat.
This is all wrong. HS XC is the way to get the running fitness. Sprinting is a different animal altogether.
- Track coach
XC paces are far slower than a 5:20 mile.
No, they're not. Have ever been to a HS XC meet? Boys run a 5k and 16-17 min finish times are common. A 5:20 miles for most of these guys is a cake walk.
Well, now I am super impressed by hs xc.
PP is wrong. Most high school runners are nowhere near 5:20.
From an XC and track perspective 5:20 is an okay time for a freshman. It is very attainable for anyone who trains a little. If I had to give a loose parameter I would say 4:50 or better is "varsity caliber" with lots of local kids running in the 4:20s and 30s. 4:50-5:10 is firmly JV. Anyone over 5:10 is just along for the ride. Not uncommon for the top local HS teams to have 20+ sub 5 milers.
In XC, 5:20 pace for a 5k is pretty quick. It would usually put you right around the bubble for Top 25 in each state classification (generalizing here because each course/field is different)
You must have a very fast school. For the VHSL 6A state championships, 2 runners had their second mile under 5:20, no one was had even a single mile better than 4:41, there were no sub 4:30 miles at all
https://va.milesplit.com/meets/462160-vhsl-class-6-state-xc-meet-2022/results/865064#.ZFOutOzMKWs
Anonymous
05/04/2023 07:35
Subject: DS can't run...
These requirements are not that hard jfc
Anonymous
05/04/2023 07:19
Subject: DS can't run...
Oh DCUM, you’re at it again - did anyone bother to READ the requirements? Applicants have 10 minutes allotted to complete the mile. There is a 5 min “rest” that comes BEFORE the run. That means the applicant can take UP TO 5 minutes rest, but the actual run can start at 30 mins into the test, with the test finishing at or under 40 mins total. OP’s son does not NEED to run a 5 min mile, and absolutely should be able to run between 7-8.
Anonymous
05/04/2023 07:10
Subject: DS can't run...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Running Hs cross country will NOT get him there. He needs to run a mile FAST. This means lots of sprints. Yes, talk to the coach, but also, go to the track and practice running short, fast distances on repeat.
HS XC will absolutely get him there. Interval work on the track will help too but if he does a season of XC he will learn to run and be able to "embrace the suck"
Cross country has many benefits, including building tenacity. But to run fast for a short distance, one needs to practice this. As a sport, I’d choose soccer, bball or LAX over cross country.
Anonymous
05/04/2023 05:17
Subject: DS can't run...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Running Hs cross country will NOT get him there. He needs to run a mile FAST. This means lots of sprints. Yes, talk to the coach, but also, go to the track and practice running short, fast distances on repeat.
This is all wrong. HS XC is the way to get the running fitness. Sprinting is a different animal altogether.
- Track coach
XC paces are far slower than a 5:20 mile.
No, they're not. Have ever been to a HS XC meet? Boys run a 5k and 16-17 min finish times are common. A 5:20 miles for most of these guys is a cake walk.
Well, now I am super impressed by hs xc.
PP is wrong. Most high school runners are nowhere near 5:20.
From an XC and track perspective 5:20 is an okay time for a freshman. It is very attainable for anyone who trains a little. If I had to give a loose parameter I would say 4:50 or better is "varsity caliber" with lots of local kids running in the 4:20s and 30s. 4:50-5:10 is firmly JV. Anyone over 5:10 is just along for the ride. Not uncommon for the top local HS teams to have 20+ sub 5 milers.
In XC, 5:20 pace for a 5k is pretty quick. It would usually put you right around the bubble for Top 25 in each state classification (generalizing here because each course/field is different)
Just not true.
Anonymous
05/03/2023 23:21
Subject: DS can't run...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Running Hs cross country will NOT get him there. He needs to run a mile FAST. This means lots of sprints. Yes, talk to the coach, but also, go to the track and practice running short, fast distances on repeat.
This is all wrong. HS XC is the way to get the running fitness. Sprinting is a different animal altogether.
- Track coach
XC paces are far slower than a 5:20 mile.
No, they're not. Have ever been to a HS XC meet? Boys run a 5k and 16-17 min finish times are common. A 5:20 miles for most of these guys is a cake walk.
Well, now I am super impressed by hs xc.
PP is wrong. Most high school runners are nowhere near 5:20.
From an XC and track perspective 5:20 is an okay time for a freshman. It is very attainable for anyone who trains a little. If I had to give a loose parameter I would say 4:50 or better is "varsity caliber" with lots of local kids running in the 4:20s and 30s. 4:50-5:10 is firmly JV. Anyone over 5:10 is just along for the ride. Not uncommon for the top local HS teams to have 20+ sub 5 milers.
In XC, 5:20 pace for a 5k is pretty quick. It would usually put you right around the bubble for Top 25 in each state classification (generalizing here because each course/field is different)
Anonymous
05/03/2023 23:15
Subject: DS can't run...
Anonymous wrote:...and wants to apply to the USNA summer program next year. He's a varsity athlete (swimming) and in great shape, just isn't a great runner. How can we get him there by next summer?
Swimming is great training for running. Aside from swimming he should just start with slow easy running. The goal of a beginning runner should be to get to 5 days of very easy running 30min per day before adding any fast running in. If he can't sustain a 30min run right now, have run a minute easy, walk a minute briskly for 30 minutes, and as time goes by he can start decreasing the walk portion and increase the run portion. A HSer who swims and runs 150min/week can then throw in some speed work (think 200s and 400s fast on a track) but should be able to run 5:20 pretty easily
Anonymous
05/03/2023 23:13
Subject: DS can't run...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m so confused . He is at a 7 now
He needs to be under a 5:20 for admissions.
This is wrong. If you can run 5:20 or better ( obviously most can’t) you get the maximum score for that event (100). You don’t need to run 5:20 for admission
Anonymous
05/03/2023 23:06
Subject: DS can't run...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Running Hs cross country will NOT get him there. He needs to run a mile FAST. This means lots of sprints. Yes, talk to the coach, but also, go to the track and practice running short, fast distances on repeat.
This is all wrong. HS XC is the way to get the running fitness. Sprinting is a different animal altogether.
- Track coach
XC paces are far slower than a 5:20 mile.
No, they're not. Have ever been to a HS XC meet? Boys run a 5k and 16-17 min finish times are common. A 5:20 miles for most of these guys is a cake walk.
That's elite. Average mile time for a high school boy is around 9 minutes.
No, you don't know what you are talking about.
Elite is in the 15s(or better)
16-17 is strong and will finish well and will win some meets that aren't too competitive.
Average boy is closer to 7-7 and a half minutes.
9 minutes would be toward the back of the pack and that kid doesn't/can't train, and is probably overweight or has some other limitation, physical or otherwise.
OPs kid is a varsity swimmer and is running 7s. If he did a season if XC and put forth the effort he could easily get to a sub 6 mile and maybe even down to that magical 5:20.