Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 22:37     Subject: Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
Look at this BS
https://www.llsstudentvisionaries.org

One of my neighbors got her kid one of these awards by getting all her business customers to donate to her kid's "campaign." Not sure the kid did anything.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 22:36     Subject: Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I interviewed a famous college counselor during HS. She runs workships for high achieving student. Anyways, she said that she can set my kid with a PhD student in college to become a co-author on some research. I would have had to pay the PhD student.

She also has an online magazine that my kid could "publish" examples of creative writing. I mean there are a lot of "fake" things that can be done.

I know of a group of parents who paid "professional mentors" to get their kids to Robotics Finals. The same people also pay professional writers to write dissertations and research papers for their kids in college. Hopefully, now ChatGPT will do all this work.

Anyways, all of this EC bullshit is basically a way to gate keep by college. Why not take an entrance test for each college and take the ones who have academic merit?


+1. And rich/UMC parents will complain that standardized tests can be gamed and put the poor and first-gen at a disadvantage . That's just a false flag as they don't want you to look too closely at their EC game. This whole BS about TO and increased dependence on 'soft' factors for admissions in the name of holistic admissions only benefits the rich/UMC but the system wants you to beleive it benefits the poor, URM and first-gen. Go figure.

THIS.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 21:35     Subject: Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
Anonymous wrote:I interviewed a famous college counselor during HS. She runs workships for high achieving student. Anyways, she said that she can set my kid with a PhD student in college to become a co-author on some research. I would have had to pay the PhD student.

She also has an online magazine that my kid could "publish" examples of creative writing. I mean there are a lot of "fake" things that can be done.

I know of a group of parents who paid "professional mentors" to get their kids to Robotics Finals. The same people also pay professional writers to write dissertations and research papers for their kids in college. Hopefully, now ChatGPT will do all this work.

Anyways, all of this EC bullshit is basically a way to gate keep by college. Why not take an entrance test for each college and take the ones who have academic merit?


+1. And rich/UMC parents will complain that standardized tests can be gamed and put the poor and first-gen at a disadvantage . That's just a false flag as they don't want you to look too closely at their EC game. This whole BS about TO and increased dependence on 'soft' factors for admissions in the name of holistic admissions only benefits the rich/UMC but the system wants you to beleive it benefits the poor, URM and first-gen. Go figure.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 21:29     Subject: Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I was just reading the Linkedin profiles of a few kids from area high schools who were accepted to Ivies this cycle and several set up national level projects in 8th grade.

My 8th grader is not capable of complex web design, canvasing hundreds if not thousands of people, etc. There is zero way kids think of this on their own and then execute things.



No 8th grader is. Parents do all of it and the kid rides that wave. Now if you post about embellishing your kid's summer job by say, adding an extra hour per week, the same parents will pop up here to lecture you on morality and ethics! Why else do you think private college counselors charge in the mid 5 figures? To pull a list of colleges?


I know shops overseas that will create these websites for you.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 21:28     Subject: Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
I interviewed a famous college counselor during HS. She runs workships for high achieving student. Anyways, she said that she can set my kid with a PhD student in college to become a co-author on some research. I would have had to pay the PhD student.

She also has an online magazine that my kid could "publish" examples of creative writing. I mean there are a lot of "fake" things that can be done.

I know of a group of parents who paid "professional mentors" to get their kids to Robotics Finals. The same people also pay professional writers to write dissertations and research papers for their kids in college. Hopefully, now ChatGPT will do all this work.

Anyways, all of this EC bullshit is basically a way to gate keep by college. Why not take an entrance test for each college and take the ones who have academic merit?
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 21:21     Subject: Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
I would think the colleges are onto it and would look into it. I started a non-profit. The paperwork was really easy. It never occurred to me to have my child as the owner but they do help out as needed.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 21:20     Subject: Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
Anonymous wrote:I was just reading the Linkedin profiles of a few kids from area high schools who were accepted to Ivies this cycle and several set up national level projects in 8th grade.

My 8th grader is not capable of complex web design, canvasing hundreds if not thousands of people, etc. There is zero way kids think of this on their own and then execute things.



No 8th grader is. Parents do all of it and the kid rides that wave. Now if you post about embellishing your kid's summer job by say, adding an extra hour per week, the same parents will pop up here to lecture you on morality and ethics! Why else do you think private college counselors charge in the mid 5 figures? To pull a list of colleges?
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 21:17     Subject: Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
Anonymous wrote:For the most part, yes. Window dressing for apps. Hopefully the AO are on to this by now.


You think AOs don't know about it? Of course they do! They ignore it and even encourage it. Let's face it, a lot of AOs want to end up as private admissions counselors and they need to build that relationship with Private school advisors where rich kids go to school. It's a mutually beneficial relationship. It's not like it's illegal..
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 21:07     Subject: Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kindergartener has a nonprofit with a pretty good online advertising team.


Hoping to direct admit to HBS after 2nd grade


My sixth grader is a board member of three of his peers’ non profits.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 20:46     Subject: Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, have them get a normal teenage job or regularly volunteer for an established large service organization.


Op here. Yes, I just told DH to see if he could get my son a volunteer or research opportunity.


Does your not son have no ability to get a volunteer opportunity himself? Are you sure he is ready for college? You are the reason we have terms like helicopter parents
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 19:04     Subject: Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
Anonymous wrote:OP, have them get a normal teenage job or regularly volunteer for an established large service organization.


Op here. Yes, I just told DH to see if he could get my son a volunteer or research opportunity.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 19:03     Subject: Re:Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
Anonymous wrote:These projects are nothing more than the high school version of the second grade science project. Parent conceived, directed and constructed, with a tiny bit of help from the child. Because those are the projects that win!!!


OP here. DH and I had no help from our parents. My son did Science Olympiad and some of the build events were insane. I doubt my child will ever win one of these competitions on a national level. He placed 5-10th place on several events but that is just states.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 18:22     Subject: Re:Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
These projects are nothing more than the high school version of the second grade science project. Parent conceived, directed and constructed, with a tiny bit of help from the child. Because those are the projects that win!!!
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 18:09     Subject: Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
OP, have them get a normal teenage job or regularly volunteer for an established large service organization.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 18:05     Subject: Re:Do parents help set up these non profits and businesses?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course it's 99% parent-done. It's such a waste of resources. If a kid really wanted to help they would probably be better off working for/fundraising for an established non-profit rather than putting the effort into starting something new that will last only long enough to get accepted to college.


Op here. I hate that we have to do this. I guess it is better than letting my boys play video games all day. I will let them brainstorm and come up with a business plan.


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