Anonymous
04/27/2023 15:33
Subject: NNAT scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sucks for kids at high performing schools.
Nah. IQ is still IQ, whatever your SES - what sucks for kids at high performing schools is that prep is the norm and a non-prepped score, even a 98th percentile non-prepped score, will be considered low compared to local peers, even for a gifted kid.
The preppers wrecked the system. This is the result. You break it, you buy it.
Really? I don't think it's fair that my above average kid would get into AAP in a diverse school, but not get in at an AAP Center, for example. It doesn't seem fair that if we move to a higher SES area, my older kid will remain in AAP while my younger kid probably won't get in, even with similar scores to what my older kid had.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 11:37
Subject: NNAT scores
Anonymous wrote:My kid scored 146. I’m sure it won’t really matter in the end though - she’s terrible at reading.
Fantastic score PP. While I wouldn't send a poor reader to AAP, you have this summer to work on that.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 11:33
Subject: NNAT scores
Anonymous wrote:My kid scored 146. I’m sure it won’t really matter in the end though - she’s terrible at reading.
This will bring her to the attention of the school and put her on their radar - that's a good thing.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 11:33
Subject: NNAT scores
Anonymous wrote:Sucks for kids at high performing schools.
Nah. IQ is still IQ, whatever your SES - what sucks for kids at high performing schools is that prep is the norm and a non-prepped score, even a 98th percentile non-prepped score, will be considered low compared to local peers, even for a gifted kid.
The preppers wrecked the system. This is the result. You break it, you buy it.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 10:52
Subject: NNAT scores
My kid scored 146. I’m sure it won’t really matter in the end though - she’s terrible at reading.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 10:51
Subject: NNAT scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So what do these scores mean? What is the range of scores for AAP?
The highest possible score is 160. Not sure about the lowest possible score is. I think historically 132 has been the 98 percentile cutoff that people cared about for AAP purposes. That being said, I'm not sure how meaningful that cutoff is anymore as people are now compared to others in their local school. In addition, as far as factors in AAP admissions goes, the NNAT is apparently the least important.
Is this true or just a rumor? My kid scored 131 but probably attends what would be considered a lower performing school. Wondering if she still has a chance.
Yes, they are using local norms for the in poll group; please know that you can parent refer your kid regardless of score though. The in pool scores are used but so are other "holistic" factors. See link below.
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/advanced-academic-programs-aap/advanced-academic-programs-aap-level-iv
Somebody worked really, really hard to make that language as opaque and nebulous as it is. Quite the black box approach.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 10:41
Subject: NNAT scores
Sucks for kids at high performing schools.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 09:47
Subject: NNAT scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So what do these scores mean? What is the range of scores for AAP?
The highest possible score is 160. Not sure about the lowest possible score is. I think historically 132 has been the 98 percentile cutoff that people cared about for AAP purposes. That being said, I'm not sure how meaningful that cutoff is anymore as people are now compared to others in their local school. In addition, as far as factors in AAP admissions goes, the NNAT is apparently the least important.
Is this true or just a rumor? My kid scored 131 but probably attends what would be considered a lower performing school. Wondering if she still has a chance.
Yes, they are using local norms for the in poll group; please know that you can parent refer your kid regardless of score though. The in pool scores are used but so are other "holistic" factors. See link below.
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/advanced-academic-programs-aap/advanced-academic-programs-aap-level-iv
Anonymous
04/27/2023 09:34
Subject: NNAT scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So what do these scores mean? What is the range of scores for AAP?
The highest possible score is 160. Not sure about the lowest possible score is. I think historically 132 has been the 98 percentile cutoff that people cared about for AAP purposes. That being said, I'm not sure how meaningful that cutoff is anymore as people are now compared to others in their local school. In addition, as far as factors in AAP admissions goes, the NNAT is apparently the least important.
Is this true or just a rumor? My kid scored 131 but probably attends what would be considered a lower performing school. Wondering if she still has a chance.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 23:10
Subject: NNAT scores
Anonymous wrote:Is 125 a good score on the NNAT score?
Some context:
https://www.rcps.info/common/pages/DisplayFile.aspx?itemId=898909
Anonymous
04/26/2023 22:15
Subject: NNAT scores
Is 125 a good score on the NNAT score?
Anonymous
04/26/2023 20:52
Subject: NNAT scores
Looks like NNAT scores are out on SIS
Anonymous
04/26/2023 15:51
Subject: NNAT scores
Aunt poster here again haha. So she also told me that with the appeal it's a committee of teachers that evaluate the packages instead of a committee of school officials. Not sure what that means.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 15:37
Subject: NNAT scores
Anonymous wrote:DS1 scored 118 on the NNAT, 136 on COGAT and WISC, and got in first round with 4CO's.
I was very worried about his NNAT score, it wound up not mattering at all.
Which ES school? Sounds like the 118 was an outlier compared to everything else. I imagine the 4 CO's helped a lot, from what guidance there has been.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 15:16
Subject: NNAT scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid got 125. Extremely disappointed.
Sorry PP. It may not be the most important thing in AAP eligibility; FCPS claims it's all "holistic" now which allows them limitless latitude in who gets in. Nevertheless, you can request a retest, if you think this score doesn't reflect your child's abilities.
Holistic is complete BS. My aunt (former AART in FCPS) says they evaluate both the NNAT and COGAT evenly. The cutoff for the NNAT in previous years is 132-134. Equity/race is also a big factor. On the packet that's sent to the committee there is a federal ethnic code that is filled out. My child scored a 109 on the NNAT and a 145 on the COGAT with near perfect GBRS and was rejected. I am not appealing. The process is complete BS. I can't believe one bad test means "NO AAP FOR YOU!!".
Appeal. You have the right scores to do so.
One low score does not preclude AAP but the admissions process is a bit idiosyncratic and sometimes a second-look fixes some mistakes from the first round.
If you thought your kid's NNAT was understating his abilities, why didn't you request a free retest? Or shell out $$ for a WISC? Especially since you know he's not getting extra consideration for race? Does your aunt's insight was a former AART in FCPS still apply to the new process? The web site is deliberately vague about how the scores are combined and yes, "holistic" covers a variety of machinations.
PP here. Aunt retired last year. I might apply my kid again next year. Maybe take the NNAT again.
Don't bother with the NNAT. See what the Cogat score is, and consider a WISC. But don't request a retake for the NNAT.
PP here. Why is that? My AART aunt said to retake the NNAT since the COGAT is already 145.
Well, your aunt knows more about the process than I do, I only had two kids go through, one with an appeal. I personally would just appeal and apply again next year rather than requesting a retake for the NNAT but your aunt probably knows more than I do.