Anonymous wrote:We were looking at Case this year. There is so much opportunity there

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

If so many UChicago students become above-average income MDs, why is their ROI so low? Something's not adding up.

Jesus. Are you for real? Think Critically. Average ROI by school depends on what percentage of the students graduate with high paying majors. If a college graduates 90% of it's students with a low paying major, or they with in a low COA city or the accuracy of capturing the salary data is flawed or the students go into low paying industries, you can get a lower ROI, even if the college had a great ROI for a couple of majors with fewer degrees. Average ROI by college is an useless metric. It's like comparing the ROI for an MBA with the ROI for MS in Biology

Honest question- is UChicago the only one in its cohort ( I.e ivys, T20 ) graduating large number of students in low paying professions? Something is missing

Honest answer. You are still not thinking straight. Have you looked at the majors with the best paid graduates? Engineering is a big one. Chicago does not have an engineering program. Computer Science is also a big earner. It's only in the last few years that Chicago has put it's focus on CS and the results are already visible. However it is still not in the top five in terms of number of students graduating with a degree in CS (as per the college scorecard website, although enrollment is now surging, and it is fast overtaking other majors at Chicago, so the ROI results in the next five years will be very different) even though it is the one with the highest average earnings at Chicago. The only major that Chicago had that had decent post graduation wages was Economics, and about 25% of students got this degree, but the pipeline to banking and consulting were weak till maybe five years ago. Now they are top notch and the results are showing.
Biology, political science, public policy etc are the top majors at Chicago as per the college scorecard. Most of these pay really poorly after graduation.
Yes. Chicago is definitely an outlier when it comes to percentage of students graduating in high paying majors. For example, Harvard and Stanford still graduate 3x students in CS as Chicago with approx the same incoming class size. Clearly that will affect average ROI.
So comparing average ROI is foolish.

If you compare Chicago for CS with other schools in the same Rough geography like Northwestern, UIUC, CWU, or schools in the south like Duke or Rice fir specific majors like for example CS, Chicago holds up very very well and beats most of these schools in average pay. Even when comparing against East and West Coast schools where the cost of living is significantly higher, Chicago holds out pretty well in average pay for specific majors. That still doesn't mean it is the right school for everybody, but unless ROI takes into account major and geography, it's a useless metric. Decisions should be made on other factors

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

If so many UChicago students become above-average income MDs, why is their ROI so low? Something's not adding up.

Jesus. Are you for real? Think Critically. Average ROI by school depends on what percentage of the students graduate with high paying majors. If a college graduates 90% of it's students with a low paying major, or they with in a low COA city or the accuracy of capturing the salary data is flawed or the students go into low paying industries, you can get a lower ROI, even if the college had a great ROI for a couple of majors with fewer degrees. Average ROI by college is an useless metric. It's like comparing the ROI for an MBA with the ROI for MS in Biology

Honest question- is UChicago the only one in its cohort ( I.e ivys, T20 ) graduating large number of students in low paying professions? Something is missing

Honest answer. You are still not thinking straight. Have you looked at the majors with the best paid graduates? Engineering is a big one. Chicago does not have an engineering program. Computer Science is also a big earner. It's only in the last few years that Chicago has put it's focus on CS and the results are already visible. However it is still not in the top five in terms of number of students graduating with a degree in CS (as per the college scorecard website, although enrollment is now surging, and it is fast overtaking other majors at Chicago, so the ROI results in the next five years will be very different) even though it is the one with the highest average earnings at Chicago. The only major that Chicago had that had decent post graduation wages was Economics, and about 25% of students got this degree, but the pipeline to banking and consulting were weak till maybe five years ago. Now they are top notch and the results are showing.
Biology, political science, public policy etc are the top majors at Chicago as per the college scorecard. Most of these pay really poorly after graduation.
Yes. Chicago is definitely an outlier when it comes to percentage of students graduating in high paying majors. For example, Harvard and Stanford still graduate 3x students in CS as Chicago with approx the same incoming class size. Clearly that will affect average ROI.
So comparing average ROI is foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

If so many UChicago students become above-average income MDs, why is their ROI so low? Something's not adding up.

Jesus. Are you for real? Think Critically. Average ROI by school depends on what percentage of the students graduate with high paying majors. If a college graduates 90% of it's students with a low paying major, or they with in a low COA city or the accuracy of capturing the salary data is flawed or the students go into low paying industries, you can get a lower ROI, even if the college had a great ROI for a couple of majors with fewer degrees. Average ROI by college is an useless metric. It's like comparing the ROI for an MBA with the ROI for MS in Biology

Honest question- is UChicago the only one in its cohort ( I.e ivys, T20 ) graduating large number of students in low paying professions? Something is missing

Honest answer. You are still not thinking straight. Have you looked at the majors with the best paid graduates? Engineering is a big one. Chicago does not have an engineering program. Computer Science is also a big earner. It's only in the last few years that Chicago has put it's focus on CS and the results are already visible. However it is still not in the top five in terms of number of students graduating with a degree in CS (as per the college scorecard website, although enrollment is now surging, and it is fast overtaking other majors at Chicago, so the ROI results in the next five years will be very different) even though it is the one with the highest average earnings at Chicago. The only major that Chicago had that had decent post graduation wages was Economics, and about 25% of students got this degree, but the pipeline to banking and consulting were weak till maybe five years ago. Now they are top notch and the results are showing.
Biology, political science, public policy etc are the top majors at Chicago as per the college scorecard. Most of these pay really poorly after graduation.
Yes. Chicago is definitely an outlier when it comes to percentage of students graduating in high paying majors. For example, Harvard and Stanford still graduate 3x students in CS as Chicago with approx the same incoming class size. Clearly that will affect average ROI.
So comparing average ROI is foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

If so many UChicago students become above-average income MDs, why is their ROI so low? Something's not adding up.

Jesus. Are you for real? Think Critically. Average ROI by school depends on what percentage of the students graduate with high paying majors. If a college graduates 90% of it's students with a low paying major, or they with in a low COA city or the accuracy of capturing the salary data is flawed or the students go into low paying industries, you can get a lower ROI, even if the college had a great ROI for a couple of majors with fewer degrees. Average ROI by college is an useless metric. It's like comparing the ROI for an MBA with the ROI for MS in Biology

Honest question- is UChicago the only one in its cohort ( I.e ivys, T20 ) graduating large number of students in low paying professions? Something is missing

Anonymous wrote:If money is no object, let your DC pick. If it is, be upfront.

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

If so many UChicago students become above-average income MDs, why is their ROI so low? Something's not adding up.

Jesus. Are you for real? Think Critically. Average ROI by school depends on what percentage of the students graduate with high paying majors. If a college graduates 90% of it's students with a low paying major, or they with in a low COA city or the accuracy of capturing the salary data is flawed or the students go into low paying industries, you can get a lower ROI, even if the college had a great ROI for a couple of majors with fewer degrees. Average ROI by college is an useless metric. It's like comparing the ROI for an MBA with the ROI for MS in Biology

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Anonymous wrote:U Chicago has two goals- give students the ability to think in the context of a broad liberal arts education for the first two years. Then specialize for the second two years and help students achieve outcomes (professions, higher Ed). They are very explicit and purposeful, and with my DCs there I think it’s the best of both worlds. One of the things the students love is they don’t push memorization of content on you, but ask you to think creatively- so in a recent STEM class the professor told the students not to answer if they already knew the answer- instead he wanted kids who did not know the answer to talk about how they would approach the problem and to hypothesize.
As a side note, my DC is getting asked to interview for internships at top firms even with a GPA lower that 3.7- people know Chicago curves to a B- average.

Check out their ROI to see how well their goals work out in real life. If they are so good, so expensive, why are they so mediocre?

You can't get into a med school without factoring in ROI, opportunity costs, etc. Full pay undergrad and med schools? Unless you are flush with cash, no. Even if this were Harvard vs Case, H isn't worth a $100,000 loan.

I think “you” are just a bot programmed to post the ROI comment whenever UChicago is mentioned. Very irritating.

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

If so many UChicago students become above-average income MDs, why is their ROI so low? Something's not adding up.