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Anonymous wrote:Buy or don’t buy. A governor (Granholm was floated back then) would be a better choice bc of executive experience. Whitmer, another Mitten state governor, might be better now. Also, a midwesterner would help Biden with some independents. Harris did not help add to Biden’s numbers as expected. Of course, I’m not sure that Whitmer would want to be a VP when she may have a real shot as President in 2028. Tying herself to Biden as VP might hurt her chances.

If Granholm was 'floated," it was because of clueless people. She was born in Canada and could never have been on the ticket.

They wanted someone more like her than who was available. There was a lot of lamenting.

Anonymous wrote:Buy or don’t buy. A governor (Granholm was floated back then) would be a better choice bc of executive experience. Whitmer, another Mitten state governor, might be better now. Also, a midwesterner would help Biden with some independents. Harris did not help add to Biden’s numbers as expected. Of course, I’m not sure that Whitmer would want to be a VP when she may have a real shot as President in 2028. Tying herself to Biden as VP might hurt her chances.

Should also add that Michelle Obama — if she actually wanted to be President — would be a stronger Presidential candidate than Whitmer.

Obama > Whitmer > Harris

Anonymous wrote:Buy or don’t buy. A governor (Granholm was floated back then) would be a better choice bc of executive experience. Whitmer, another Mitten state governor, might be better now. Also, a midwesterner would help Biden with some independents. Harris did not help add to Biden’s numbers as expected. Of course, I’m not sure that Whitmer would want to be a VP when she may have a real shot as President in 2028. Tying herself to Biden as VP might hurt her chances.

If Granholm was 'floated," it was because of clueless people. She was born in Canada and could never have been on the ticket.

Buy or don’t buy. A governor (Granholm was floated back then) would be a better choice bc of executive experience. Whitmer, another Mitten state governor, might be better now. Also, a midwesterner would help Biden with some independents. Harris did not help add to Biden’s numbers as expected. Of course, I’m not sure that Whitmer would want to be a VP when she may have a real shot as President in 2028. Tying herself to Biden as VP might hurt her chances.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen so much consistent attention on a VP. Most get ignored.

Yes, it’s because she’s a black woman and they are unfairly judged harsher than white men. Black men and women have to work harder, make fewer mistakes, and never be in a bad mood or have a bad day. It’s wrong.

Were you alive when Quayle was VP? He was mercilessly mocked and roasted alive nightly.

Cheney was hated and widely discussed the entire time Bush was VP, and early on political cartoons mocked him as the real power behind the throne, pulling puppets through Bush.

Agree that Quayle was the most marginalized VP in my adult life. - GenXer

You’re proving OP’s point: VP is a thankless role that is mostly the butt of jokes. Why do we expect any different from Kamala Harris? Maybe you’re proving PP’s point about her being a black woman being judged differently……….

Everyone knows and agrees that being VP is a thankless job and has been from the jump (see John Adams). If Bush had been in his 80s and showing signs that he might not make it to the end of term, everyone sure as h*ll would have wanted someone other than Quayle. No one would’ve said anything about not liking him as a presidential candidate bc of his race — and it’s the same for Harris.

I don’t buy that Harris gets so much scrutiny because Joe Biden is 80. But I do think she hasn’t seemed “Presidential” (whatever that means), and that fails to inspire confidence.

Who could Biden have picked—realistically—who would inspire confidence that we’d be in good hands? Karen Bass? Val Demings? They were the other two finalists. I like them but neither seemed ready for prime time and detractors would have had maybe an even bigger “oh-we’re-screwed-if-he-dies!” Field day if they were named. I think Warren wanted the gig—I can hear the stupid “Pocahontas” cries now. Or imagine if he chose a young up-and-coming woman like whitmer—another poster referenced Sarah Palin, I feel like whitmer would have been treated as such simply because she’s younger, attractive, from Midwest….

I hate to say it but I think Joe would have been better off choosing a more “conventional” choice to try and narrow the unconscious bias out there.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen so much consistent attention on a VP. Most get ignored.

Yes, it’s because she’s a black woman and they are unfairly judged harsher than white men. Black men and women have to work harder, make fewer mistakes, and never be in a bad mood or have a bad day. It’s wrong.

Were you alive when Quayle was VP? He was mercilessly mocked and roasted alive nightly.

Cheney was hated and widely discussed the entire time Bush was VP, and early on political cartoons mocked him as the real power behind the throne, pulling puppets through Bush.

Agree that Quayle was the most marginalized VP in my adult life. - GenXer

You’re proving OP’s point: VP is a thankless role that is mostly the butt of jokes. Why do we expect any different from Kamala Harris? Maybe you’re proving PP’s point about her being a black woman being judged differently……….

Everyone knows and agrees that being VP is a thankless job and has been from the jump (see John Adams). If Bush had been in his 80s and showing signs that he might not make it to the end of term, everyone sure as h*ll would have wanted someone other than Quayle. No one would’ve said anything about not liking him as a presidential candidate bc of his race — and it’s the same for Harris.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen so much consistent attention on a VP. Most get ignored.

Yes, it’s because she’s a black woman and they are unfairly judged harsher than white men. Black men and women have to work harder, make fewer mistakes, and never be in a bad mood or have a bad day. It’s wrong.

Were you alive when Quayle was VP? He was mercilessly mocked and roasted alive nightly.

Cheney was hated and widely discussed the entire time Bush was VP, and early on political cartoons mocked him as the real power behind the throne, pulling puppets through Bush.

Agree that Quayle was the most marginalized VP in my adult life. - GenXer

You’re proving OP’s point: VP is a thankless role that is mostly the butt of jokes. Why do we expect any different from Kamala Harris? Maybe you’re proving PP’s point about her being a black woman being judged differently……….

Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen so much consistent attention on a VP. Most get ignored.

Yes, it’s because she’s a black woman and they are unfairly judged harsher than white men. Black men and women have to work harder, make fewer mistakes, and never be in a bad mood or have a bad day. It’s wrong.

She has more attention focused on her than the typical VP because of Biden’s age. If something happens to him, which is entirely possible, Harris would be our next president. With Biden saying he’s running again, people are extremely concerned about his VP pick. Stop with the racism claim already.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen so much consistent attention on a VP. Most get ignored.

Yes, it’s because she’s a black woman and they are unfairly judged harsher than white men. Black men and women have to work harder, make fewer mistakes, and never be in a bad mood or have a bad day. It’s wrong.

Were you alive when Quayle was VP? He was mercilessly mocked and roasted alive nightly.

Cheney was hated and widely discussed the entire time Bush was VP, and early on political cartoons mocked him as the real power behind the throne, pulling puppets through Bush.

Agree that Quayle was the most marginalized VP in my adult life. - GenXer

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Anonymous wrote:The main reason we are focusing on her is that Joe is old and there’s more than a slight chance she could be the next POTUS or candidate if he chooses not to run. It’s kind of unique and the stakes are very high.

Is there a way to change running mates while giving her (and the ticket) a soft landing?

Only if she wants it. So probably not. That’s why these threads are kind of pointless and I try not to comment about it. It is what it is. No need to bring too much attention to it.

Anonymous wrote:The main reason we are focusing on her is that Joe is old and there’s more than a slight chance she could be the next POTUS or candidate if he chooses not to run. It’s kind of unique and the stakes are very high.

Is there a way to change running mates while giving her (and the ticket) a soft landing?

Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen so much consistent attention on a VP. Most get ignored.

Yes, it’s because she’s a black woman and they are unfairly judged harsher than white men. Black men and women have to work harder, make fewer mistakes, and never be in a bad mood or have a bad day. It’s wrong.

Were you alive when Quayle was VP? He was mercilessly mocked and roasted alive nightly.

Cheney was hated and widely discussed the entire time Bush was VP, and early on political cartoons mocked him as the real power behind the throne, pulling puppets through Bush.

Anonymous wrote:The main reason we are focusing on her is that Joe is old and there’s more than a slight chance she could be the next POTUS or candidate if he chooses not to run. It’s kind of unique and the stakes are very high.

This.

Joe is an octogenarian who has shown some evidence of cognitive decline.
No other president has been as old as he is.

The main reason we are focusing on her is that Joe is old and there’s more than a slight chance she could be the next POTUS or candidate if he chooses not to run. It’s kind of unique and the stakes are very high.

I just don’t like her for the same reasons I don’t care for Chuck Schumer, style wise. They both just seem to lack the authority/charisma needed for people that aspire to leadership. It really isn’t that she’s a black woman! I don’t feel this way about Michelle Obama for example. She’s a powerhouse, Kamala is not. Just be honest guys. Regardless, I will vote for her on the ticket—but if you’re trying to get marginal votes I don’t see why we ignore the elephant in the room. People don’t care for her.