Anonymous
04/12/2023 10:23
Subject: Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My high stats DC was WL to several Top 15-30 schools that in the recent past (2021, 2022) they were strongly located in the 100% zone on SCOIR for Sidwell.
Not that we ever expected 100%, but striking out on so many of those was a clear change from the past - they were not alone in this sort of outcome.
In this same T15-30 in 100% SCOIR zone:
- one regular acceptance
- one acceptance via an alternative entry pathway (for example - late start/early start/abroad/satellite ).
Rejected in all Top 10 and Top SLAC applications.
Accepted to some safeties T40-T60 and a low SLAC.
DC was grateful to have some options. This year was a shift for sure.
When you say Top SLAC can you be more specific ?
Think along the lines of ....Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Swarthmore
Pomona too? It isn't as sought after locally, so I'd expect better luck. Outside of USNWR, it is rarely mentioned with the other 3 outside the west. What about Wellesley and Smith for the girls. Any luck there?
Pomona is absurdly hard to get in
Far fewer applicants from the DMV though. It and CMC should get more interest here. USNWR throwing them an occasional #3 might help though. However, it has also been #7 3 times in the 2000s and does still have a more regional name.
As PP said - Pomona is insanely hard and they have plenty of strong DMV applicants to choose from. The entire school is only 1800 kids.
Even smaller than that, 1700. Their first year class alone has 43 states and 51 nationalities represented among just 413 students. Their focus on diversity means there isn't room to enroll more than a handful of DMV kids. https://www.pomona.edu/news/2022/09/26-class-2026-new-sagehens-number
This is a helpful exercise for those with kids applying in the future (or wondering why their kids didn't get in.) Pomona offered spots to 15 (or fewer) students from Maryland this year. 23% are first gen, so on average that leaves 12 spots for students who aren't first gen. 62.5% are students of color, leaving 6 spots for white students, or 3 white men and 3 white women who aren't first gen. (https://www.pomona.edu/news/2023/03/17-introducing-pomona-college-class-2027)
Wow. The math is brutal!
"Over five percent do not identify on the binary gender spectrum." That seems pretty high to me. Have other schools been reporting on this stat?
Interesting indeed. And I have the kind of kid (rising senior) who would check a box like this just for the hell of it, to see if it would increase his chances.
Anonymous
04/12/2023 10:22
Subject: Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My high stats DC was WL to several Top 15-30 schools that in the recent past (2021, 2022) they were strongly located in the 100% zone on SCOIR for Sidwell.
Not that we ever expected 100%, but striking out on so many of those was a clear change from the past - they were not alone in this sort of outcome.
In this same T15-30 in 100% SCOIR zone:
- one regular acceptance
- one acceptance via an alternative entry pathway (for example - late start/early start/abroad/satellite ).
Rejected in all Top 10 and Top SLAC applications.
Accepted to some safeties T40-T60 and a low SLAC.
DC was grateful to have some options. This year was a shift for sure.
When you say Top SLAC can you be more specific ?
Think along the lines of ....Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Swarthmore
Pomona too? It isn't as sought after locally, so I'd expect better luck. Outside of USNWR, it is rarely mentioned with the other 3 outside the west. What about Wellesley and Smith for the girls. Any luck there?
Pomona is absurdly hard to get in
Far fewer applicants from the DMV though. It and CMC should get more interest here. USNWR throwing them an occasional #3 might help though. However, it has also been #7 3 times in the 2000s and does still have a more regional name.
As PP said - Pomona is insanely hard and they have plenty of strong DMV applicants to choose from. The entire school is only 1800 kids.
Even smaller than that, 1700. Their first year class alone has 43 states and 51 nationalities represented among just 413 students. Their focus on diversity means there isn't room to enroll more than a handful of DMV kids. https://www.pomona.edu/news/2022/09/26-class-2026-new-sagehens-number
This is a helpful exercise for those with kids applying in the future (or wondering why their kids didn't get in.) Pomona offered spots to 15 (or fewer) students from Maryland this year. 23% are first gen, so on average that leaves 12 spots for students who aren't first gen. 62.5% are students of color, leaving 6 spots for white students, or 3 white men and 3 white women who aren't first gen. (https://www.pomona.edu/news/2023/03/17-introducing-pomona-college-class-2027)
Folks who are current freshman or sophomores should do this for every "top" school. I remember an article that broke down the Princeton slots like this from like 2018 or so, and it came down to like 30 unhooked males and females in each applicant pool. When presented like that, an applicant has to ask "what makes me stand out to be one of those applicants" - people really need to be realistic about their chances at these schools and find targets and safeties they would be thrilled to attend.
Anonymous
04/12/2023 10:21
Subject: Re:Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It seems rough across big 3. Anything you’d suggest for rising seniors? Ed to lower reaches?
Yes---pick true Targets and True Safeties. If acceptance rate is not minimum of 50%, it is NOT a safety for anyone (even a Big 3). Same for targets, acceptance rates need to be minimum of 25% to be a target.
Pick at least 3 targets and 3 safeties and show your love for those schools, make them think it's your kid's top choice.
Do that and you will not be disappointed.
Apply to 9 T25 schools all with acceptance rates below 20% and you might not be thrilled come April
DC '22 at a different school, different metro area (but similar to DMV) and CCO said kid would be safe using 30% cut off. Of course, DC says IDK what I am talking about that at least one school needs to be between 60-80% as does DH, who lives in college admissions circa 1980s land. Fortunately, DC got in ED1 legacy, but I still fret on what would have happened in DC had ended up on the open market with no school more than 30%.
Anonymous
04/12/2023 10:17
Subject: Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
Anonymous wrote:It has been a tough couple of weeks. Most students that have solid outcomes, but...the very top universities have shut out most aspirants. It is looking very different even compared to last year.
Might there have just been a lot more hooked students in last year's class - multi-generational Ivy attendees, Ivy board member, etc.?
Anonymous
04/12/2023 09:33
Subject: Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My high stats DC was WL to several Top 15-30 schools that in the recent past (2021, 2022) they were strongly located in the 100% zone on SCOIR for Sidwell.
Not that we ever expected 100%, but striking out on so many of those was a clear change from the past - they were not alone in this sort of outcome.
In this same T15-30 in 100% SCOIR zone:
- one regular acceptance
- one acceptance via an alternative entry pathway (for example - late start/early start/abroad/satellite ).
Rejected in all Top 10 and Top SLAC applications.
Accepted to some safeties T40-T60 and a low SLAC.
DC was grateful to have some options. This year was a shift for sure.
When you say Top SLAC can you be more specific ?
Think along the lines of ....Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Swarthmore
Pomona too? It isn't as sought after locally, so I'd expect better luck. Outside of USNWR, it is rarely mentioned with the other 3 outside the west. What about Wellesley and Smith for the girls. Any luck there?
Pomona is absurdly hard to get in
Far fewer applicants from the DMV though. It and CMC should get more interest here. USNWR throwing them an occasional #3 might help though. However, it has also been #7 3 times in the 2000s and does still have a more regional name.
As PP said - Pomona is insanely hard and they have plenty of strong DMV applicants to choose from. The entire school is only 1800 kids.
Even smaller than that, 1700. Their first year class alone has 43 states and 51 nationalities represented among just 413 students. Their focus on diversity means there isn't room to enroll more than a handful of DMV kids. https://www.pomona.edu/news/2022/09/26-class-2026-new-sagehens-number
This is a helpful exercise for those with kids applying in the future (or wondering why their kids didn't get in.) Pomona offered spots to 15 (or fewer) students from Maryland this year. 23% are first gen, so on average that leaves 12 spots for students who aren't first gen. 62.5% are students of color, leaving 6 spots for white students, or 3 white men and 3 white women who aren't first gen. (https://www.pomona.edu/news/2023/03/17-introducing-pomona-college-class-2027)
Wow. The math is brutal!
"Over five percent do not identify on the binary gender spectrum." That seems pretty high to me. Have other schools been reporting on this stat?
Anonymous
04/12/2023 09:29
Subject: Re:Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
If there is a WL your kid really wants to get off of? If so, they should go talk to the counseling office about whether it is realistic and what everyone can do to make it happen. They will likely know which WLs are just not going to happen.
Anonymous
04/12/2023 09:27
Subject: Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My high stats DC was WL to several Top 15-30 schools that in the recent past (2021, 2022) they were strongly located in the 100% zone on SCOIR for Sidwell.
Not that we ever expected 100%, but striking out on so many of those was a clear change from the past - they were not alone in this sort of outcome.
In this same T15-30 in 100% SCOIR zone:
- one regular acceptance
- one acceptance via an alternative entry pathway (for example - late start/early start/abroad/satellite ).
Rejected in all Top 10 and Top SLAC applications.
Accepted to some safeties T40-T60 and a low SLAC.
DC was grateful to have some options. This year was a shift for sure.
When you say Top SLAC can you be more specific ?
Think along the lines of ....Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Swarthmore
Pomona too? It isn't as sought after locally, so I'd expect better luck. Outside of USNWR, it is rarely mentioned with the other 3 outside the west. What about Wellesley and Smith for the girls. Any luck there?
Pomona is absurdly hard to get in
Far fewer applicants from the DMV though. It and CMC should get more interest here. USNWR throwing them an occasional #3 might help though. However, it has also been #7 3 times in the 2000s and does still have a more regional name.
As PP said - Pomona is insanely hard and they have plenty of strong DMV applicants to choose from. The entire school is only 1800 kids.
Even smaller than that, 1700. Their first year class alone has 43 states and 51 nationalities represented among just 413 students. Their focus on diversity means there isn't room to enroll more than a handful of DMV kids. https://www.pomona.edu/news/2022/09/26-class-2026-new-sagehens-number
This is a helpful exercise for those with kids applying in the future (or wondering why their kids didn't get in.) Pomona offered spots to 15 (or fewer) students from Maryland this year. 23% are first gen, so on average that leaves 12 spots for students who aren't first gen. 62.5% are students of color, leaving 6 spots for white students, or 3 white men and 3 white women who aren't first gen. (https://www.pomona.edu/news/2023/03/17-introducing-pomona-college-class-2027)
Wow. The math is brutal!
Anonymous
04/12/2023 09:24
Subject: Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My high stats DC was WL to several Top 15-30 schools that in the recent past (2021, 2022) they were strongly located in the 100% zone on SCOIR for Sidwell.
Not that we ever expected 100%, but striking out on so many of those was a clear change from the past - they were not alone in this sort of outcome.
In this same T15-30 in 100% SCOIR zone:
- one regular acceptance
- one acceptance via an alternative entry pathway (for example - late start/early start/abroad/satellite ).
Rejected in all Top 10 and Top SLAC applications.
Accepted to some safeties T40-T60 and a low SLAC.
DC was grateful to have some options. This year was a shift for sure.
When you say Top SLAC can you be more specific ?
Think along the lines of ....Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Swarthmore
Pomona too? It isn't as sought after locally, so I'd expect better luck. Outside of USNWR, it is rarely mentioned with the other 3 outside the west. What about Wellesley and Smith for the girls. Any luck there?
Pomona is absurdly hard to get in
Far fewer applicants from the DMV though. It and CMC should get more interest here. USNWR throwing them an occasional #3 might help though. However, it has also been #7 3 times in the 2000s and does still have a more regional name.
As PP said - Pomona is insanely hard and they have plenty of strong DMV applicants to choose from. The entire school is only 1800 kids.
Even smaller than that, 1700. Their first year class alone has 43 states and 51 nationalities represented among just 413 students. Their focus on diversity means there isn't room to enroll more than a handful of DMV kids. https://www.pomona.edu/news/2022/09/26-class-2026-new-sagehens-number
This is a helpful exercise for those with kids applying in the future (or wondering why their kids didn't get in.) Pomona offered spots to 15 (or fewer) students from Maryland this year. 23% are first gen, so on average that leaves 12 spots for students who aren't first gen. 62.5% are students of color, leaving 6 spots for white students, or 3 white men and 3 white women who aren't first gen. (https://www.pomona.edu/news/2023/03/17-introducing-pomona-college-class-2027)
Anonymous
04/12/2023 09:15
Subject: Re:Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
Anonymous wrote:It seems rough across big 3. Anything you’d suggest for rising seniors? Ed to lower reaches?
Yes---pick true Targets and True Safeties. If acceptance rate is not minimum of 50%, it is NOT a safety for anyone (even a Big 3). Same for targets, acceptance rates need to be minimum of 25% to be a target.
Pick at least 3 targets and 3 safeties and show your love for those schools, make them think it's your kid's top choice.
Do that and you will not be disappointed.
Apply to 9 T25 schools all with acceptance rates below 20% and you might not be thrilled come April
Anonymous
04/12/2023 09:15
Subject: Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
It has been a tough couple of weeks. Most students that have solid outcomes, but...the very top universities have shut out most aspirants. It is looking very different even compared to last year.
Anonymous
04/12/2023 07:53
Subject: Re:Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
Anonymous wrote:First of all it’s not May 1st yet. Second of all, I feel bad for the teenagers under the microscope of nosy strangers like OP.
You actually read the few posts in this thread and then posted this non-sense ?
Anonymous
04/11/2023 22:26
Subject: Re:Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
Anonymous wrote:University of Chicago usually loves Sidwell.
Did they accept a bunch of kids this year
Don't know how it played out for others at Chicago. But, I do know my kid had no interest in Chicago, I think that could have played out well as an ED.
Anonymous
04/11/2023 22:23
Subject: Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My high stats DC was WL to several Top 15-30 schools that in the recent past (2021, 2022) they were strongly located in the 100% zone on SCOIR for Sidwell.
Not that we ever expected 100%, but striking out on so many of those was a clear change from the past - they were not alone in this sort of outcome.
In this same T15-30 in 100% SCOIR zone:
- one regular acceptance
- one acceptance via an alternative entry pathway (for example - late start/early start/abroad/satellite ).
Rejected in all Top 10 and Top SLAC applications.
Accepted to some safeties T40-T60 and a low SLAC.
DC was grateful to have some options. This year was a shift for sure.
How did you feel about the applications beyond the pure #s?
This is surprising outcome wise, especially since some schools do seem to prefer to waitlist multiple kids from top privates rather than flat reject them.
Did your DC apply early or ED2 anywhere? It seemed that a huge group did at Sidwell though not as many ED2 as last year when so many ended up at Chicago Ed2.
Yes - DC applied ED (deferred/rejected), did not apply ED2 (only 1 on their list offered it and Sidwell required final college list by my DC's ED1 outcome date) and also some EA (which included a deferred/WL outcome and two of the safely acceptances)
Anonymous
04/11/2023 22:23
Subject: Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My high stats DC was WL to several Top 15-30 schools that in the recent past (2021, 2022) they were strongly located in the 100% zone on SCOIR for Sidwell.
Not that we ever expected 100%, but striking out on so many of those was a clear change from the past - they were not alone in this sort of outcome.
In this same T15-30 in 100% SCOIR zone:
- one regular acceptance
- one acceptance via an alternative entry pathway (for example - late start/early start/abroad/satellite ).
Rejected in all Top 10 and Top SLAC applications.
Accepted to some safeties T40-T60 and a low SLAC.
DC was grateful to have some options. This year was a shift for sure.
When you say Top SLAC can you be more specific ?
Think along the lines of ....Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Swarthmore
Pomona too? It isn't as sought after locally, so I'd expect better luck. Outside of USNWR, it is rarely mentioned with the other 3 outside the west. What about Wellesley and Smith for the girls. Any luck there?
Pomona is absurdly hard to get in
Far fewer applicants from the DMV though. It and CMC should get more interest here. USNWR throwing them an occasional #3 might help though. However, it has also been #7 3 times in the 2000s and does still have a more regional name.
As PP said - Pomona is insanely hard and they have plenty of strong DMV applicants to choose from. The entire school is only 1800 kids.
Even smaller than that, 1700. Their first year class alone has 43 states and 51 nationalities represented among just 413 students. Their focus on diversity means there isn't room to enroll more than a handful of DMV kids. https://www.pomona.edu/news/2022/09/26-class-2026-new-sagehens-number
Anonymous
04/11/2023 22:18
Subject: Sidwell 2023 College outcomes?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My high stats DC was WL to several Top 15-30 schools that in the recent past (2021, 2022) they were strongly located in the 100% zone on SCOIR for Sidwell.
Not that we ever expected 100%, but striking out on so many of those was a clear change from the past - they were not alone in this sort of outcome.
In this same T15-30 in 100% SCOIR zone:
- one regular acceptance
- one acceptance via an alternative entry pathway (for example - late start/early start/abroad/satellite ).
Rejected in all Top 10 and Top SLAC applications.
Accepted to some safeties T40-T60 and a low SLAC.
DC was grateful to have some options. This year was a shift for sure.
When you say Top SLAC can you be more specific ?
Think along the lines of ....Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Swarthmore
Pomona too? It isn't as sought after locally, so I'd expect better luck. Outside of USNWR, it is rarely mentioned with the other 3 outside the west. What about Wellesley and Smith for the girls. Any luck there?
Pomona is absurdly hard to get in
Far fewer applicants from the DMV though. It and CMC should get more interest here. USNWR throwing them an occasional #3 might help though. However, it has also been #7 3 times in the 2000s and does still have a more regional name.
Pomona is consistently the toughest LAC to get into from here. Bethesda Mag's data and the data from the NOVA high schools confirms it. I don't really understand what your point is about US News since it almost always has Princeton above Stanford and MIT, but almost no one would really agree to that. Since a substantial percent of the ranking is peer assessment (20%), the fact that Pomona ranks as well as it does would suggest it is nationally known.