Anonymous
04/08/2023 09:55
Subject: Re:Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are universities that don’t have honor codes? My kids are at different private k-12 and they have honor codes that address cheating, plagiarism etc. not something I’m concerned about so I never researched honor codes at universities just assumed they all had a codified honor system. Honor council by peers is understandably tricky but if not peers then it would be faculty, administrators and student representatives I think.
It should be handled 100% privately & confidentially.
So is it open court where all members of the community can attend the hearing or is it a close session with just the student and their representative before the honor council? I agree that it should be confidential and only council members should be present at the hearing.
No “honor council.”
There will be a group that reviews allegations of honor code violations; they may not be called honor council but they exist. You prefer if a single individual pass judgement or you don’t think there should be any consequences for violation?
Anonymous
04/08/2023 09:54
Subject: Re:Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
Reminds me of the Salem witch trials
Anonymous
04/08/2023 09:53
Subject: Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
My kid reports that so many people at their HS cheat. It makes my kid uncomfortable. I think an honor code isn’t the worst thing.
Anonymous
04/08/2023 09:51
Subject: Re:Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
In this day & age with woke mobs I don’t trust kids to not persecute their peers.
Anonymous
04/08/2023 09:50
Subject: Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
Honor proceedings are private. When the council reports a case, they redact all identifying info.
Anonymous
04/08/2023 09:47
Subject: Re:Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are universities that don’t have honor codes? My kids are at different private k-12 and they have honor codes that address cheating, plagiarism etc. not something I’m concerned about so I never researched honor codes at universities just assumed they all had a codified honor system. Honor council by peers is understandably tricky but if not peers then it would be faculty, administrators and student representatives I think.
It should be handled 100% privately & confidentially.
So is it open court where all members of the community can attend the hearing or is it a close session with just the student and their representative before the honor council? I agree that it should be confidential and only council members should be present at the hearing.
No “honor council.”
Anonymous
04/08/2023 09:43
Subject: Re:Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are universities that don’t have honor codes? My kids are at different private k-12 and they have honor codes that address cheating, plagiarism etc. not something I’m concerned about so I never researched honor codes at universities just assumed they all had a codified honor system. Honor council by peers is understandably tricky but if not peers then it would be faculty, administrators and student representatives I think.
It should be handled 100% privately & confidentially.
So is it open court where all members of the community can attend the hearing or is it a close session with just the student and their representative before the honor council? I agree that it should be confidential and only council members should be present at the hearing.
Anonymous
04/08/2023 09:39
Subject: Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled by this thread. People actually want a school with no honor code and no integrity? They feel tuition is too expensive so there should be no consequences should their kid cheat? Who are you people? I am a white collar prosecutor. I suspect I will meet many of your offspring in coming years.
This. I get being worried about unfair or overzealous councils. But how is that in any way connected to the cost of college and the idea that one is a “paying customer”???
I’m also baffled. If you don’t want to be brought up in front of an honor council, don’t cheat.
Students have had 12+ years of education and have been informed many times about the consequences of cheating. College students know it’s wrong, and there should be consequences. My college had a strict code, and it never bothered me. I never considered cheating.
There is a such thing as accidental “cheating.”
What’s an example of accidental cheating?
Anonymous
04/08/2023 09:39
Subject: Re:Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
Anonymous wrote:There are universities that don’t have honor codes? My kids are at different private k-12 and they have honor codes that address cheating, plagiarism etc. not something I’m concerned about so I never researched honor codes at universities just assumed they all had a codified honor system. Honor council by peers is understandably tricky but if not peers then it would be faculty, administrators and student representatives I think.
It should be handled 100% privately & confidentially.
Anonymous
04/08/2023 09:38
Subject: Re:Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
There are universities that don’t have honor codes? My kids are at different private k-12 and they have honor codes that address cheating, plagiarism etc. not something I’m concerned about so I never researched honor codes at universities just assumed they all had a codified honor system. Honor council by peers is understandably tricky but if not peers then it would be faculty, administrators and student representatives I think.
Anonymous
04/08/2023 07:23
Subject: Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled by this thread. People actually want a school with no honor code and no integrity? They feel tuition is too expensive so there should be no consequences should their kid cheat? Who are you people? I am a white collar prosecutor. I suspect I will meet many of your offspring in coming years.
This. I get being worried about unfair or overzealous councils. But how is that in any way connected to the cost of college and the idea that one is a “paying customer”???
Is this satire?
No. I truly don’t get it. If the honor council is capricious and unfair, that is a problem regardless of cost of college. What does the cost of college have to do with expectations of integrity or the unfair practices with ensuring integrity???
Anonymous
04/08/2023 07:15
Subject: Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled by this thread. People actually want a school with no honor code and no integrity? They feel tuition is too expensive so there should be no consequences should their kid cheat? Who are you people? I am a white collar prosecutor. I suspect I will meet many of your offspring in coming years.
This. I get being worried about unfair or overzealous councils. But how is that in any way connected to the cost of college and the idea that one is a “paying customer”???
I’m also baffled. If you don’t want to be brought up in front of an honor council, don’t cheat.
Students have had 12+ years of education and have been informed many times about the consequences of cheating. College students know it’s wrong, and there should be consequences. My college had a strict code, and it never bothered me. I never considered cheating.
There is a such thing as accidental “cheating.”
Anonymous
04/08/2023 07:10
Subject: Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled by this thread. People actually want a school with no honor code and no integrity? They feel tuition is too expensive so there should be no consequences should their kid cheat? Who are you people? I am a white collar prosecutor. I suspect I will meet many of your offspring in coming years.
This. I get being worried about unfair or overzealous councils. But how is that in any way connected to the cost of college and the idea that one is a “paying customer”???
Is this satire?
Anonymous
04/08/2023 07:08
Subject: Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled by this thread. People actually want a school with no honor code and no integrity? They feel tuition is too expensive so there should be no consequences should their kid cheat? Who are you people? I am a white collar prosecutor. I suspect I will meet many of your offspring in coming years.
This. I get being worried about unfair or overzealous councils. But how is that in any way connected to the cost of college and the idea that one is a “paying customer”???
I’m also baffled. If you don’t want to be brought up in front of an honor council, don’t cheat.
Students have had 12+ years of education and have been informed many times about the consequences of cheating. College students know it’s wrong, and there should be consequences. My college had a strict code, and it never bothered me. I never considered cheating.
There is a history of unfair accusations at these schools. Read some of their newspaper articles.
Anonymous
04/08/2023 06:45
Subject: Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled by this thread. People actually want a school with no honor code and no integrity? They feel tuition is too expensive so there should be no consequences should their kid cheat? Who are you people? I am a white collar prosecutor. I suspect I will meet many of your offspring in coming years.
This. I get being worried about unfair or overzealous councils. But how is that in any way connected to the cost of college and the idea that one is a “paying customer”???
I’m also baffled. If you don’t want to be brought up in front of an honor council, don’t cheat.
Students have had 12+ years of education and have been informed many times about the consequences of cheating. College students know it’s wrong, and there should be consequences. My college had a strict code, and it never bothered me. I never considered cheating.