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Anonymous wrote:There is no system of beliefs. Unless you’re talking about science (big bang, etc). I guess that’s a “religion”.

There are many things we believe, quite rationally, that we cannot prove. Take basic moral claims, for example, such as “It’s wrong to inflict pain on people for no reason.” This seems rational and sensible, but I doubt I could prove it without assuming some more basic moral claim on which it is based.

I was referring to OP's comment about the big bang theory. Scientific theories attempt to explain the world around us. Usually they don't require supernatural forces.

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What is the causes of the Big Bang ?
A) Creator
B) It just happened
Both are based on faith.

B isn’t faith. You seem confused about the difference between faith and scientific uncertainty.

I have no problem with scientific uncertainty.
My problem is with an Atheist comparing Creator beliefs with fairy tales.
This happened in the Atheist/Agnostic tread.

Some creator beliefs are considered to be fairy tales by people who believe in other creator beliefs.

e.g., Athena, goddess of wisdom, born from the brain of Zeus, the main ancient Greek God. Christians don't believe that at all. They believe that the Son of God was crucified and rose from the dead.

If you believe in the Creator of the universe beyond space time no religion will say it is a fairy tale.
Some Atheist will say that.
That’s why they have strong confidence in something coming from nothingness.
Which is the same thing as faith for nothingness.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no system of beliefs. Unless you’re talking about science (big bang, etc). I guess that’s a “religion”.

There are many things we believe, quite rationally, that we cannot prove. Take basic moral claims, for example, such as “It’s wrong to inflict pain on people for no reason.” This seems rational and sensible, but I doubt I could prove it without assuming some more basic moral claim on which it is based.

I was referring to OP's comment about the big bang theory. Scientific theories attempt to explain the world around us. Usually they don't require supernatural forces.

NP
What is the causes of the Big Bang ?
A) Creator
B) It just happened
Both are based on faith.

B isn’t faith. You seem confused about the difference between faith and scientific uncertainty.

I have no problem with scientific uncertainty.
My problem is with an Atheist comparing Creator beliefs with fairy tales.
This happened in the Atheist/Agnostic tread.

Some creator beliefs are considered to be fairy tales by people who believe in other creator beliefs.

e.g., Athena, goddess of wisdom, born from the brain of Zeus, the main ancient Greek God. Christians don't believe that at all. They believe that the Son of God was crucified and rose from the dead.

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Anonymous wrote:No. Though some atheists may appear to be zealous or dogmatic in their assertions in a way that can mirror religiosity, I don't think it's a religious faith as it's a philosophical system distinguished by a lack of faith. Of course there could be atheist sects out there that are cult-like or have religious aspects, but this doesn't apply to the general category of atheism.

[b]Atheism is the antithesis of religion; it is the lack of religion - not being religious.[/b] Some atheists (like some religious people) are openly and in some cases loudly non-religious. Others (like some religious people) are quietly non-religious and may not even think of themselves in terms of religious belief or non-belief. Not holding supernatural beliefs and not practicing a religion is simply a natural state for them.

No, atheism isn't a lack of religion. It is, by its definition, a lack of faith in a god. One can have religion without faith in a deity; and one can have faith in a deity without religion or religiosity. Atheism alone does not qualify as a religion, but it does not exclude atheists from being religious or joining a religion. Plenty of atheists in unitarian universalism, for example.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important for some people to assert that atheism is a religion? I just don’t get it.

Because they use religion to frame everything in their life. They can’t understand the world without it.

Neither can the atheists who discuss religion here daily. At least religious people believe in religion when they spend their days discussing it.

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Anonymous wrote:No. Though some atheists may appear to be zealous or dogmatic in their assertions in a way that can mirror religiosity, I don't think it's a religious faith as it's a philosophical system distinguished by a lack of faith. Of course there could be atheist sects out there that are cult-like or have religious aspects, but this doesn't apply to the general category of atheism.

[b]Atheism is the antithesis of religion; it is the lack of religion - not being religious.[/b] Some atheists (like some religious people) are openly and in some cases loudly non-religious. Others (like some religious people) are quietly non-religious and may not even think of themselves in terms of religious belief or non-belief. Not holding supernatural beliefs and not practicing a religion is simply a natural state for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important for some people to assert that atheism is a religion? I just don’t get it.

Because they use religion to frame everything in their life. They can’t understand the world without it.

Neither can the atheists who discuss religion here daily. At least religious people believe in religion when they spend their days discussing it.

Gosh you have no sense of irony whatsoever.

Who is the hero of the fable “the emperors new clothes ”?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important for some people to assert that atheism is a religion? I just don’t get it.

Because they use religion to frame everything in their life. They can’t understand the world without it.

Neither can the atheists who discuss religion here daily. At least religious people believe in religion when they spend their days discussing it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important for some people to assert that atheism is a religion? I just don’t get it.

Because they use religion to frame everything in their life. They can’t understand the world without it.

Neither can the atheists who discuss religion here daily. At least religious people believe in religion when they spend their days discussing it.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no system of beliefs. Unless you’re talking about science (big bang, etc). I guess that’s a “religion”.

There are many things we believe, quite rationally, that we cannot prove. Take basic moral claims, for example, such as “It’s wrong to inflict pain on people for no reason.” This seems rational and sensible, but I doubt I could prove it without assuming some more basic moral claim on which it is based.

I was referring to OP's comment about the big bang theory. Scientific theories attempt to explain the world around us. Usually they don't require supernatural forces.

NP
What is the causes of the Big Bang ?
A) Creator
B) It just happened
Both are based on faith.

B isn’t faith. You seem confused about the difference between faith and scientific uncertainty.

I have no problem with scientific uncertainty.
My problem is with an Atheist comparing Creator beliefs with fairy tales.
This happened in the Atheist/Agnostic tread.

Some creator beliefs are considered to be fairy tales by people who believe in other creator beliefs.

e.g., Athena, goddess of wisdom, born from the brain of Zeus, the main ancient Greek God. Christians don't believe that at all. They believe that the Son of God was crucified and rose from the dead.

+1

Just another supernatural story.

Jesus exited. Did Hansel and Gretel? Rumplestiltskin? Zeus?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no system of beliefs. Unless you’re talking about science (big bang, etc). I guess that’s a “religion”.

There are many things we believe, quite rationally, that we cannot prove. Take basic moral claims, for example, such as “It’s wrong to inflict pain on people for no reason.” This seems rational and sensible, but I doubt I could prove it without assuming some more basic moral claim on which it is based.

I was referring to OP's comment about the big bang theory. Scientific theories attempt to explain the world around us. Usually they don't require supernatural forces.

NP
What is the causes of the Big Bang ?
A) Creator
B) It just happened
Both are based on faith.

B isn’t faith. You seem confused about the difference between faith and scientific uncertainty.

I have no problem with scientific uncertainty.
My problem is with an Atheist comparing Creator beliefs with fairy tales.
This happened in the Atheist/Agnostic tread.

Some creator beliefs are considered to be fairy tales by people who believe in other creator beliefs.

e.g., Athena, goddess of wisdom, born from the brain of Zeus, the main ancient Greek God. Christians don't believe that at all. They believe that the Son of God was crucified and rose from the dead.

+1

Just another supernatural story.

Jesus exited. Did Hansel and Gretel? Rumplestiltskin? Zeus?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no system of beliefs. Unless you’re talking about science (big bang, etc). I guess that’s a “religion”.

There are many things we believe, quite rationally, that we cannot prove. Take basic moral claims, for example, such as “It’s wrong to inflict pain on people for no reason.” This seems rational and sensible, but I doubt I could prove it without assuming some more basic moral claim on which it is based.

I was referring to OP's comment about the big bang theory. Scientific theories attempt to explain the world around us. Usually they don't require supernatural forces.

NP
What is the causes of the Big Bang ?
A) Creator
B) It just happened
Both are based on faith.

B isn’t faith. You seem confused about the difference between faith and scientific uncertainty.

I have no problem with scientific uncertainty.
My problem is with an Atheist comparing Creator beliefs with fairy tales.
This happened in the Atheist/Agnostic tread.

Some creator beliefs are considered to be fairy tales by people who believe in other creator beliefs.

e.g., Athena, goddess of wisdom, born from the brain of Zeus, the main ancient Greek God. Christians don't believe that at all. They believe that the Son of God was crucified and rose from the dead.

+1

Just another supernatural story.

Jesus exited. Did Hansel and Gretel? Rumplestiltskin? Zeus?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no system of beliefs. Unless you’re talking about science (big bang, etc). I guess that’s a “religion”.

There are many things we believe, quite rationally, that we cannot prove. Take basic moral claims, for example, such as “It’s wrong to inflict pain on people for no reason.” This seems rational and sensible, but I doubt I could prove it without assuming some more basic moral claim on which it is based.

I was referring to OP's comment about the big bang theory. Scientific theories attempt to explain the world around us. Usually they don't require supernatural forces.

NP
What is the causes of the Big Bang ?
A) Creator
B) It just happened
Both are based on faith.

B isn’t faith. You seem confused about the difference between faith and scientific uncertainty.

I have no problem with scientific uncertainty.
My problem is with an Atheist comparing Creator beliefs with fairy tales.
This happened in the Atheist/Agnostic tread.

Some creator beliefs are considered to be fairy tales by people who believe in other creator beliefs.

e.g., Athena, goddess of wisdom, born from the brain of Zeus, the main ancient Greek God. Christians don't believe that at all. They believe that the Son of God was crucified and rose from the dead.

+1

Just another supernatural story.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important for some people to assert that atheism is a religion? I just don’t get it.

Because they use religion to frame everything in their life. They can’t understand the world without it.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no system of beliefs. Unless you’re talking about science (big bang, etc). I guess that’s a “religion”.

There are many things we believe, quite rationally, that we cannot prove. Take basic moral claims, for example, such as “It’s wrong to inflict pain on people for no reason.” This seems rational and sensible, but I doubt I could prove it without assuming some more basic moral claim on which it is based.

I was referring to OP's comment about the big bang theory. Scientific theories attempt to explain the world around us. Usually they don't require supernatural forces.

NP
What is the causes of the Big Bang ?
A) Creator
B) It just happened
Both are based on faith.

B isn’t faith. You seem confused about the difference between faith and scientific uncertainty.

I have no problem with scientific uncertainty.
My problem is with an Atheist comparing Creator beliefs with fairy tales.
This happened in the Atheist/Agnostic tread.

Some creator beliefs are considered to be fairy tales by people who believe in other creator beliefs.

e.g., Athena, goddess of wisdom, born from the brain of Zeus, the main ancient Greek God. Christians don't believe that at all. They believe that the Son of God was crucified and rose from the dead.