Anonymous
04/05/2023 13:06
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:blueseahorse30 wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no Advanced Math in 2nd grade, he might be getting LII services but that is not Advanced Math.
You need to check his GBRS and address the issues raised ther specifically. Based on your description, I would guess mainly Occasionally Observes. His test scores are solid but not the 140 and higher that tend to be head scratchers for folks here.
You may be right, its L2 services. I wish i had been more involved in school! Is it worth taking the WISC 5 ? I am still waiting for the school to give me the package to see what went wrong.
The process is so subjective even with the packet, you may never know why. Really.
The process is so subjective that even your school's very experienced AART might be completely mystified by the rejection. BTDT.
If the GBRS is not good, the WISC is unlikely to help. The only thing that might help on appeals is if you can write a letter convincing the committee that there are solid reasons why your child is not demonstrating gifted traits in the classroom, but how your child absolutely needs AAP to have their needs met. The most likely outcome, though, is that your kid won't get in this year, and you'll just have to hope the 3rd grade teacher likes your kid a lot more than the 2nd grade teacher did. FWIW, one of my kids had a low GBRS in 2nd, but then a very high one when reapplying in 3rd.
If the GBRS is good, the WISC is still unlikely to help. The only time a WISC seems to help is if your child had one low score on the CogAT for either Verbal or Quant, like less than 115, but the WISC shows that your child is actually strong in that area.
The mystifying part is that on CogAT he got all 99% in the 140s…, and a perfect score on NNAT 160….
Do you get the feeling that his daily work efforts align with the test scores? My thought is that the teacher wants to see a consistency between both, and that could be an issue.
This is why teacher recs are so inconsistent and biased.
On the contrary, they probably more accurately reflect the level of the student. Anybody can prep for a test.
You can't prep to that level on cogats. It sounds like a teacher who prefers girls and filled out GBRS accordingly.
Anonymous
04/05/2023 13:00
Subject: AAP Appeal
Anonymous wrote:Yes, he’s Asian too
Is there a limit for # of kids selected from each race? Honest question
Anonymous
04/05/2023 12:58
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:blueseahorse30 wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no Advanced Math in 2nd grade, he might be getting LII services but that is not Advanced Math.
You need to check his GBRS and address the issues raised ther specifically. Based on your description, I would guess mainly Occasionally Observes. His test scores are solid but not the 140 and higher that tend to be head scratchers for folks here.
You may be right, its L2 services. I wish i had been more involved in school! Is it worth taking the WISC 5 ? I am still waiting for the school to give me the package to see what went wrong.
The process is so subjective even with the packet, you may never know why. Really.
The process is so subjective that even your school's very experienced AART might be completely mystified by the rejection. BTDT.
If the GBRS is not good, the WISC is unlikely to help. The only thing that might help on appeals is if you can write a letter convincing the committee that there are solid reasons why your child is not demonstrating gifted traits in the classroom, but how your child absolutely needs AAP to have their needs met. The most likely outcome, though, is that your kid won't get in this year, and you'll just have to hope the 3rd grade teacher likes your kid a lot more than the 2nd grade teacher did. FWIW, one of my kids had a low GBRS in 2nd, but then a very high one when reapplying in 3rd.
If the GBRS is good, the WISC is still unlikely to help. The only time a WISC seems to help is if your child had one low score on the CogAT for either Verbal or Quant, like less than 115, but the WISC shows that your child is actually strong in that area.
The mystifying part is that on CogAT he got all 99% in the 140s…, and a perfect score on NNAT 160….
Do you get the feeling that his daily work efforts align with the test scores? My thought is that the teacher wants to see a consistency between both, and that could be an issue.
This is why teacher recs are so inconsistent and biased.
On the contrary, they probably more accurately reflect the level of the student. Anybody can prep for a test.
Anonymous
04/05/2023 12:36
Subject: AAP Appeal
The problem is that too many people have cheated on the tests. Maybe the scores were so high, the assumed he cheated. Then if the GRBS doesn’t match up, that probably supports the cheating theory.
Appeal. Take it all the way to the Supreme Court.
Appeal. Take it all the way to the Supreme Court.
Anonymous
04/05/2023 10:15
Subject: AAP Appeal
For OP and anyone else appealing:
You have to accept that the admissions process often just doesn't make sense, and you won't get obvious answers as to why your child was rejected. Sometimes, the GBRS is great, the work samples are fine, and the AART says that she expected your child to get accepted. It is pretty much impossible to meet with anyone at Gatehouse and get answers. The only thing you can do is appeal, apply again, and so on with the expectation that eventually your child who is advanced in all subjects, has a stellar GBRS, and has 99th percentile test scores will get picked.
You have to accept that the admissions process often just doesn't make sense, and you won't get obvious answers as to why your child was rejected. Sometimes, the GBRS is great, the work samples are fine, and the AART says that she expected your child to get accepted. It is pretty much impossible to meet with anyone at Gatehouse and get answers. The only thing you can do is appeal, apply again, and so on with the expectation that eventually your child who is advanced in all subjects, has a stellar GBRS, and has 99th percentile test scores will get picked.
Anonymous
04/05/2023 10:11
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal
Special projects? Do you mean work samples? If so, probably not. I don’t think parent supplied work samples really do much.
[Report Post]
Yes, I meant work samples. The is the only missing piece from our application, the FCPS website says its optional so we dint bother.
Anonymous
04/05/2023 07:12
Subject: AAP Appeal
OP how many hours of test prep? Did you do for the COGAT and NNAT? They’re even better ways to cheat the WISC.
Anonymous
04/05/2023 01:30
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal
Anonymous wrote:blueseahorse30 wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no Advanced Math in 2nd grade, he might be getting LII services but that is not Advanced Math.
You need to check his GBRS and address the issues raised ther specifically. Based on your description, I would guess mainly Occasionally Observes. His test scores are solid but not the 140 and higher that tend to be head scratchers for folks here.
You may be right, its L2 services. I wish i had been more involved in school! Is it worth taking the WISC 5 ? I am still waiting for the school to give me the package to see what went wrong.
The process is so subjective even with the packet, you may never know why. Really.
The process is so subjective that even your school's very experienced AART might be completely mystified by the rejection. BTDT.
If the GBRS is not good, the WISC is unlikely to help. The only thing that might help on appeals is if you can write a letter convincing the committee that there are solid reasons why your child is not demonstrating gifted traits in the classroom, but how your child absolutely needs AAP to have their needs met. The most likely outcome, though, is that your kid won't get in this year, and you'll just have to hope the 3rd grade teacher likes your kid a lot more than the 2nd grade teacher did. FWIW, one of my kids had a low GBRS in 2nd, but then a very high one when reapplying in 3rd.
If the GBRS is good, the WISC is still unlikely to help. The only time a WISC seems to help is if your child had one low score on the CogAT for either Verbal or Quant, like less than 115, but the WISC shows that your child is actually strong in that area.
The mystifying part is that on CogAT he got all 99% in the 140s…, and a perfect score on NNAT 160….
Do you get the feeling that his daily work efforts align with the test scores? My thought is that the teacher wants to see a consistency between both, and that could be an issue.
This is why teacher recs are so inconsistent and biased.
Anonymous
04/04/2023 22:46
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal
blueseahorse30 wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no Advanced Math in 2nd grade, he might be getting LII services but that is not Advanced Math.
You need to check his GBRS and address the issues raised ther specifically. Based on your description, I would guess mainly Occasionally Observes. His test scores are solid but not the 140 and higher that tend to be head scratchers for folks here.
You may be right, its L2 services. I wish i had been more involved in school! Is it worth taking the WISC 5 ? I am still waiting for the school to give me the package to see what went wrong.
The process is so subjective even with the packet, you may never know why. Really.
The process is so subjective that even your school's very experienced AART might be completely mystified by the rejection. BTDT.
If the GBRS is not good, the WISC is unlikely to help. The only thing that might help on appeals is if you can write a letter convincing the committee that there are solid reasons why your child is not demonstrating gifted traits in the classroom, but how your child absolutely needs AAP to have their needs met. The most likely outcome, though, is that your kid won't get in this year, and you'll just have to hope the 3rd grade teacher likes your kid a lot more than the 2nd grade teacher did. FWIW, one of my kids had a low GBRS in 2nd, but then a very high one when reapplying in 3rd.
If the GBRS is good, the WISC is still unlikely to help. The only time a WISC seems to help is if your child had one low score on the CogAT for either Verbal or Quant, like less than 115, but the WISC shows that your child is actually strong in that area.
The mystifying part is that on CogAT he got all 99% in the 140s…, and a perfect score on NNAT 160….
Do you get the feeling that his daily work efforts align with the test scores? My thought is that the teacher wants to see a consistency between both, and that could be an issue.
blueseahorse30
04/04/2023 21:13
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no Advanced Math in 2nd grade, he might be getting LII services but that is not Advanced Math.
You need to check his GBRS and address the issues raised ther specifically. Based on your description, I would guess mainly Occasionally Observes. His test scores are solid but not the 140 and higher that tend to be head scratchers for folks here.
You may be right, its L2 services. I wish i had been more involved in school! Is it worth taking the WISC 5 ? I am still waiting for the school to give me the package to see what went wrong.
The process is so subjective even with the packet, you may never know why. Really.
The process is so subjective that even your school's very experienced AART might be completely mystified by the rejection. BTDT.
If the GBRS is not good, the WISC is unlikely to help. The only thing that might help on appeals is if you can write a letter convincing the committee that there are solid reasons why your child is not demonstrating gifted traits in the classroom, but how your child absolutely needs AAP to have their needs met. The most likely outcome, though, is that your kid won't get in this year, and you'll just have to hope the 3rd grade teacher likes your kid a lot more than the 2nd grade teacher did. FWIW, one of my kids had a low GBRS in 2nd, but then a very high one when reapplying in 3rd.
If the GBRS is good, the WISC is still unlikely to help. The only time a WISC seems to help is if your child had one low score on the CogAT for either Verbal or Quant, like less than 115, but the WISC shows that your child is actually strong in that area.
The mystifying part is that on CogAT he got all 99% in the 140s…, and a perfect score on NNAT 160….
Anonymous
04/04/2023 20:04
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal
Anonymous wrote:The process is so subjective that even your school's very experienced AART might be completely mystified by the rejection. BTDT.
If the GBRS is not good, the WISC is unlikely to help. The only thing that might help on appeals is if you can write a letter convincing the committee that there are solid reasons why your child is not demonstrating gifted traits in the classroom, but how your child absolutely needs AAP to have their needs met. The most likely outcome, though, is that your kid won't get in this year, and you'll just have to hope the 3rd grade teacher likes your kid a lot more than the 2nd grade teacher did. FWIW, one of my kids had a low GBRS in 2nd, but then a very high one when reapplying in 3rd.
If the GBRS is good, the WISC is still unlikely to help. The only time a WISC seems to help is if your child had one low score on the CogAT for either Verbal or Quant, like less than 115, but the WISC shows that your child is actually strong in that area.
Same PP here, We just found out that the AART had rejected our special projects. Since we were traveling we could not resubmit. Could that have been it?
Special projects? Do you mean work samples? If so, probably not. I don’t think parent supplied work samples really do much.
Anonymous
04/04/2023 18:10
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal
The process is so subjective that even your school's very experienced AART might be completely mystified by the rejection. BTDT.
If the GBRS is not good, the WISC is unlikely to help. The only thing that might help on appeals is if you can write a letter convincing the committee that there are solid reasons why your child is not demonstrating gifted traits in the classroom, but how your child absolutely needs AAP to have their needs met. The most likely outcome, though, is that your kid won't get in this year, and you'll just have to hope the 3rd grade teacher likes your kid a lot more than the 2nd grade teacher did. FWIW, one of my kids had a low GBRS in 2nd, but then a very high one when reapplying in 3rd.
If the GBRS is good, the WISC is still unlikely to help. The only time a WISC seems to help is if your child had one low score on the CogAT for either Verbal or Quant, like less than 115, but the WISC shows that your child is actually strong in that area.
Same PP here, We just found out that the AART had rejected our special projects. Since we were traveling we could not resubmit. Could that have been it?
Anonymous
04/04/2023 17:49
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no Advanced Math in 2nd grade, he might be getting LII services but that is not Advanced Math.
You need to check his GBRS and address the issues raised ther specifically. Based on your description, I would guess mainly Occasionally Observes. His test scores are solid but not the 140 and higher that tend to be head scratchers for folks here.
You may be right, its L2 services. I wish i had been more involved in school! Is it worth taking the WISC 5 ? I am still waiting for the school to give me the package to see what went wrong.
The process is so subjective even with the packet, you may never know why. Really.
The process is so subjective that even your school's very experienced AART might be completely mystified by the rejection. BTDT.
If the GBRS is not good, the WISC is unlikely to help. The only thing that might help on appeals is if you can write a letter convincing the committee that there are solid reasons why your child is not demonstrating gifted traits in the classroom, but how your child absolutely needs AAP to have their needs met. The most likely outcome, though, is that your kid won't get in this year, and you'll just have to hope the 3rd grade teacher likes your kid a lot more than the 2nd grade teacher did. FWIW, one of my kids had a low GBRS in 2nd, but then a very high one when reapplying in 3rd.
If the GBRS is good, the WISC is still unlikely to help. The only time a WISC seems to help is if your child had one low score on the CogAT for either Verbal or Quant, like less than 115, but the WISC shows that your child is actually strong in that area.
Anonymous
04/04/2023 17:37
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal
Anonymous wrote:There is no Advanced Math in 2nd grade, he might be getting LII services but that is not Advanced Math.
You need to check his GBRS and address the issues raised ther specifically. Based on your description, I would guess mainly Occasionally Observes. His test scores are solid but not the 140 and higher that tend to be head scratchers for folks here.
You may be right, its L2 services. I wish i had been more involved in school! Is it worth taking the WISC 5 ? I am still waiting for the school to give me the package to see what went wrong.
The process is so subjective even with the packet, you may never know why. Really.
Anonymous
04/04/2023 11:37
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal
There is no Advanced Math in 2nd grade, he might be getting LII services but that is not Advanced Math.
You need to check his GBRS and address the issues raised ther specifically. Based on your description, I would guess mainly Occasionally Observes. His test scores are solid but not the 140 and higher that tend to be head scratchers for folks here.
You may be right, its L2 services. I wish i had been more involved in school! Is it worth taking the WISC 5 ? I am still waiting for the school to give me the package to see what went wrong.