Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 12:24     Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Look up Philip Rieef. We're now a third world culture (note: "third world" does not mean "developing nation").

https://ps.edu/how-philip-rieffs-three-worlds-help-us-understand-cultural-change/


Bible thumper


Well, that was constructive.


Nobody has time to argue with a fervent believer. Endless straw man arguments and logical inconsistencies. He mischaracterizes what secularism is and then argues against this misunderstanding.


Nor do I have the time to argue with a fervent unbeliever, nor with their own logical inconsistencies.


Cool! Then please go away and stop trying to force your religion onto society! I leave you alone so why can’t you do the same for me?
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 12:19     Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Look up Philip Rieef. We're now a third world culture (note: "third world" does not mean "developing nation").

https://ps.edu/how-philip-rieffs-three-worlds-help-us-understand-cultural-change/


Bible thumper


Well, that was constructive.


Nobody has time to argue with a fervent believer. Endless straw man arguments and logical inconsistencies. He mischaracterizes what secularism is and then argues against this misunderstanding.


Nor do I have the time to argue with a fervent unbeliever, nor with their own logical inconsistencies.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 12:10     Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?


Whether you're religious or not, you have to be pretty dense not to believe this.

I'm not religious but I pay my taxes, I vote and I served. Does that make me less American than you?
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 12:09     Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
My country was very patriotic in the 30’s until 1945. Didn’t work out so well.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 12:07     Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Look up Philip Rieef. We're now a third world culture (note: "third world" does not mean "developing nation").

https://ps.edu/how-philip-rieffs-three-worlds-help-us-understand-cultural-change/


Bible thumper


Well, that was constructive.


Nobody has time to argue with a fervent believer. Endless straw man arguments and logical inconsistencies. He mischaracterizes what secularism is and then argues against this misunderstanding.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 12:07     Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Bill Maher and members of Congress on both sides of the aisle blame Tik Tok and a disinformation and manipulation campaigns by foreign nationals.

Something has prompted Americans to skew not only negative but anti-American. Patriotism has been labeled as a bad thing. This is very troubling. Everyone should be worried.

The fact that the anti-Tik Tok discussion on the Hill enjoys bipartisan support is very chilling. Coming on the heels of a China/Russia lovefest speaks volumes about the legitimate fear our leaders have.


People watched. 9 11 cause "patriotism" to be manipulated into the illegal Iraq war to pay out to defense contractors. They watched "patriotism" be manipulated by trump and screw over the country. Patriotism was used as part of the con game and people do not like to be conned.


+1000. When the country doesn't actually serve the people who live here, don't be surprised that they don't feel patriotic.


So why are all the same people that opposed the Iraq War now pushing for US involvement in the war in Ukraine (and opposing any negotiated settlement there)?


Because the Iraq war had no moral or legal basis. Ukraine is a clear case of good guy/bad guy.


+1. Where is the big con in the support for Ukraine? Did Putin actually not invade? Is that all a "wmd" lie? Are those flattened Ukrainian cities just pretend?
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 12:03     Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:I’d also add that “religion” is just as important as ever, but now for many social political issues have taken the place of traditional religion. Humans evolved to be religious and it will never go away. The church of MSNBC-type issues fills the void for many. They hold their convictions and dogma as seriously as any orthodox christian or jew.


Crap like the above is why people are sick of religion. Smug ignorance.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 12:02     Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Bill Maher and members of Congress on both sides of the aisle blame Tik Tok and a disinformation and manipulation campaigns by foreign nationals.

Something has prompted Americans to skew not only negative but anti-American. Patriotism has been labeled as a bad thing. This is very troubling. Everyone should be worried.

The fact that the anti-Tik Tok discussion on the Hill enjoys bipartisan support is very chilling. Coming on the heels of a China/Russia lovefest speaks volumes about the legitimate fear our leaders have.


People watched. 9 11 cause "patriotism" to be manipulated into the illegal Iraq war to pay out to defense contractors. They watched "patriotism" be manipulated by trump and screw over the country. Patriotism was used as part of the con game and people do not like to be conned.


+1000. When the country doesn't actually serve the people who live here, don't be surprised that they don't feel patriotic.


So why are all the same people that opposed the Iraq War now pushing for US involvement in the war in Ukraine (and opposing any negotiated settlement there)?


Because the Iraq war had no moral or legal basis. Ukraine is a clear case of good guy/bad guy.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 12:01     Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Too much individualism, not enough community.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 11:54     Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Look up Philip Rieef. We're now a third world culture (note: "third world" does not mean "developing nation").

https://ps.edu/how-philip-rieffs-three-worlds-help-us-understand-cultural-change/


Bible thumper


Well, that was constructive.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 11:54     Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?


Whether you're religious or not, you have to be pretty dense not to believe this.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 11:53     Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Look up Philip Rieef. We're now a third world culture (note: "third world" does not mean "developing nation").

https://ps.edu/how-philip-rieffs-three-worlds-help-us-understand-cultural-change/


Bible thumper
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 11:53     Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Is there any way to "gift" a WSJ article so that you can avoid the paywall? You can do this with the NYT, I believe.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 11:50     Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
*Rieff, not Rieef.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2023 11:49     Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Look up Philip Rieef. We're now a third world culture (note: "third world" does not mean "developing nation").

https://ps.edu/how-philip-rieffs-three-worlds-help-us-understand-cultural-change/