Anonymous
03/21/2023 13:20
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.ffxnow.com/2023/03/20/mclean-residents-sue-to-stop-i-495-widening-over-environmental-impacts/
NIMBYism strikes again. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were some visitors of this forum.
What a nasty post, OP! If you had bothered to read, you would know that the citizens working on this are aligned with the Sierra Club. Have you seen what VDOT is doing at the Georgetown Pike interchange and the bridge? The trees have been all stripped out. It's horrible. And schools and churches sit right there along with homeowners.
Oh noooo! Not the poor churches!! Lmaooo
Cut it out. Cooper Middle School sits right there. Once upon a time it had a tree buffer but VDOT ripped the trees out in front if it without notice. That resulted in citizen outrage and protests from Cooper’s principal about air quality. Body then moved all of its vehicles in. John Foust promised it would become a dog park. It wasn’t now all of the remaining trees have been ripped out. It’s an unsightly mess
Anonymous
03/21/2023 09:09
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Widening doesn’t help. This has been well proven.
Yup. Widening the roads is a cop out instead of doing the very hard work to find other solutions. Good for them.
I just don’t understand how some of you think people should get to work. Not everyone can afford to live within biking/walking distance of where they work (particularly those who work in McLean!), and not all workplaces are near a metro. Most people would prefer not to spend hours on a soul-sucking metro commute but don’t have a better alternative.
Just because you widen major highways doesn't make traffic better. Widening 495 doesn't mean all of the access roads, neighborhood roads, and streets that are off 495 get bigger, the just stay the same size and now all you've done is encourage more car culture. Traffic is barely impacted because flow slows down when the same 2 way street with tons of traffic from the 495 off ramp is still the same 2 lane street even after widening.
According to you, if we add lanes, the traffic will get worse. So if we reduce lanes, will it get better?
There was no traffic when 495 was just a footpath for Native Americans....
Anonymous
03/21/2023 08:46
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.ffxnow.com/2023/03/20/mclean-residents-sue-to-stop-i-495-widening-over-environmental-impacts/
NIMBYism strikes again. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were some visitors of this forum.
What a nasty post, OP! If you had bothered to read, you would know that the citizens working on this are aligned with the Sierra Club. Have you seen what VDOT is doing at the Georgetown Pike interchange and the bridge? The trees have been all stripped out. It's horrible. And schools and churches sit right there along with homeowners.
Oh noooo! Not the poor churches!! Lmaooo
Anonymous
03/21/2023 08:06
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
Hopefully, this will start discussions on a Purple Line extension to Tysons (yes, I know, I know). I-66 has more cars traveling westbound during morning rush hour from DC than eastbound. Tysons is where the jobs are.
Anonymous
03/21/2023 06:14
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
Anonymous wrote:Adding separate lanes only for the rich to use so they can have less traffic than the poor plebian folk is not exactly widening.
Isn't that what this is?? How is this not discriminatory?
I would rather the states just pony up the $$ rather than a HOT lane project. But I suppose they know residents do not have the appetite for a tax increases. So, here we are.
Anonymous
03/21/2023 05:05
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
A frivolous lawsuit brought by frivolous rich people.
Anonymous
03/21/2023 00:38
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
The GW Pkwy exit should be removed altogether from 495. MD has their own parkway. Nobody uses that exit from VA.
Anonymous
03/21/2023 00:31
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Widening doesn’t help. This has been well proven.
Yup. Widening the roads is a cop out instead of doing the very hard work to find other solutions. Good for them.
I just don’t understand how some of you think people should get to work. Not everyone can afford to live within biking/walking distance of where they work (particularly those who work in McLean!), and not all workplaces are near a metro. Most people would prefer not to spend hours on a soul-sucking metro commute but don’t have a better alternative.
Just because you widen major highways doesn't make traffic better. Widening 495 doesn't mean all of the access roads, neighborhood roads, and streets that are off 495 get bigger, the just stay the same size and now all you've done is encourage more car culture. Traffic is barely impacted because flow slows down when the same 2 way street with tons of traffic from the 495 off ramp is still the same 2 lane street even after widening.
Oh please, the Wilson Bridge was rebuilt bigger and better 10+ years ago and traffic is still much much better than it used to be in that direction. One of the reasons is because of the thru lanes that were extended across the bridge, and the better interchange with 295.
The reality is that the American Legion bridge has to be rebuilt at some point, because it is deteriorating. They aren't going to demolish the bridge and eliminate any future river crossing, and it doesn't make sense to spend the billions to rebuild the bridge to be the same size it is now or smaller without attempting to improve the traffic. I actually agree a double-decker is a better option. However, the very rich people living close by on both sides of the river don't want to see a double decker bridge from their homes. So, the current plans are make accommodations for future HOT lanes connections, if Maryland would get its act together too.
1) The reconstruction of the Wilson Bridge didn't impact residential homes on both sides of it - homes, in some cases, that have been there since the 40s and 50s.
2) The bridge is Maryland's problem, as we all know. There are proposals but nothing ever happens.
3) I live there - no one has seriously suggested a double decker highway at any VDOT meeting.
1. Whether residential homes are there or not, American Legion bridge must be rebuilt and will be made bigger. It's going to happen, because it has to.
2. Maryland will eventually get in line as well, because they have to. Again, American Legion bridge must be rebuilt eventually.
3. No one has seriously suggested a double decker bridge because they know it's a non-starter with the residents of the area. But it is the most logical solution given the amount of throughput.
Look, I sympathize anyone living near any of these projects, but you know...that's life. Those living along I-66 had a rude awakening to it as well, only most of those people don't have the money to file these nuisance lawsuits.
The project may be delayed, but it will happen. Resistance is futile.
But nothing ever starts with the bridge. Proposal after proposal, and suit after suit, in maryland. So you can claim "it's going to happen" all you want but nothing ever starts. I've lived in the area 30 years and seen this discussed over and over and nothing ever happens.
Anonymous
03/21/2023 00:22
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
Where's Buttigieg
Anonymous
03/21/2023 00:21
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
Adding separate lanes only for the rich to use so they can have less traffic than the poor plebian folk is not exactly widening.
Isn't that what this is?? How is this not discriminatory?
Isn't that what this is?? How is this not discriminatory?
Anonymous
03/21/2023 00:02
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Widening doesn’t help. This has been well proven.
+1 induced demand
In general I agree, but these are HOT lanes which have been show to help manage capacity better and bring in revenue for public transit.
Anonymous
03/21/2023 00:00
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.ffxnow.com/2023/03/20/mclean-residents-sue-to-stop-i-495-widening-over-environmental-impacts/
NIMBYism strikes again. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were some visitors of this forum.
What a nasty post, OP! If you had bothered to read, you would know that the citizens working on this are aligned with the Sierra Club. Have you seen what VDOT is doing at the Georgetown Pike interchange and the bridge? The trees have been all stripped out. It's horrible. And schools and churches sit right there along with homeowners.
Oh well, that's life. Have you seen what's happened along I-66?
Anonymous
03/20/2023 23:58
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Widening doesn’t help. This has been well proven.
Yup. Widening the roads is a cop out instead of doing the very hard work to find other solutions. Good for them.
I just don’t understand how some of you think people should get to work. Not everyone can afford to live within biking/walking distance of where they work (particularly those who work in McLean!), and not all workplaces are near a metro. Most people would prefer not to spend hours on a soul-sucking metro commute but don’t have a better alternative.
Just because you widen major highways doesn't make traffic better. Widening 495 doesn't mean all of the access roads, neighborhood roads, and streets that are off 495 get bigger, the just stay the same size and now all you've done is encourage more car culture. Traffic is barely impacted because flow slows down when the same 2 way street with tons of traffic from the 495 off ramp is still the same 2 lane street even after widening.
Oh please, the Wilson Bridge was rebuilt bigger and better 10+ years ago and traffic is still much much better than it used to be in that direction. One of the reasons is because of the thru lanes that were extended across the bridge, and the better interchange with 295.
The reality is that the American Legion bridge has to be rebuilt at some point, because it is deteriorating. They aren't going to demolish the bridge and eliminate any future river crossing, and it doesn't make sense to spend the billions to rebuild the bridge to be the same size it is now or smaller without attempting to improve the traffic. I actually agree a double-decker is a better option. However, the very rich people living close by on both sides of the river don't want to see a double decker bridge from their homes. So, the current plans are make accommodations for future HOT lanes connections, if Maryland would get its act together too.
1) The reconstruction of the Wilson Bridge didn't impact residential homes on both sides of it - homes, in some cases, that have been there since the 40s and 50s.
2) The bridge is Maryland's problem, as we all know. There are proposals but nothing ever happens.
3) I live there - no one has seriously suggested a double decker highway at any VDOT meeting.
1. Whether residential homes are there or not, American Legion bridge must be rebuilt and will be made bigger. It's going to happen, because it has to.
2. Maryland will eventually get in line as well, because they have to. Again, American Legion bridge must be rebuilt eventually.
3. No one has seriously suggested a double decker bridge because they know it's a non-starter with the residents of the area. But it is the most logical solution given the amount of throughput.
Look, I sympathize anyone living near any of these projects, but you know...that's life. Those living along I-66 had a rude awakening to it as well, only most of those people don't have the money to file these nuisance lawsuits.
The project may be delayed, but it will happen. Resistance is futile.
Anonymous
03/20/2023 23:45
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
How interesting! They sue again, and in DC, the Palisades and Spring Valley residents are like: go away, what’s a plane and what’s arsenic, really?
Anonymous
03/20/2023 23:44
Subject: McLean residents sue to stop I-495 widening over environmental impacts
Anonymous wrote:https://www.ffxnow.com/2023/03/20/mclean-residents-sue-to-stop-i-495-widening-over-environmental-impacts/
NIMBYism strikes again. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were some visitors of this forum.
What a nasty post, OP! If you had bothered to read, you would know that the citizens working on this are aligned with the Sierra Club. Have you seen what VDOT is doing at the Georgetown Pike interchange and the bridge? The trees have been all stripped out. It's horrible. And schools and churches sit right there along with homeowners.