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Anonymous wrote:Time for polio to make a comeback! Yeehah! Wheelchair and orthopedics companies will make a killing!

You actually raise an interesting point. I wonder if drug and medical device companies are funding some of these movements. I don’t think they are making a killing on routine vaccines anymore—so creating lifelong polio patients might be a good source of future revenue.

no, they make big bucks by creating the next cholesterol/blood pressure drug or drugs used to treat people who are unhealthy due to their lifestyle. there is no much treatment for a polio patient other than the iron lung. if anything, it's entities like Russia who cannot win on an open field (see how they suck in Ukraine) but they can make us weaker from the inside, so no vax movement, "national divorce" and all other hot topics

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

you are really ignorant. sanitation helped but what really started saving children were vaccines and drugs like antibiotics. do you think that sanitation radicated Scarlet Fever? kids dont die by the thousands anymore because if they get is they are isolated immediately and treated with antibiotics. before they could just sit and wait to see if they were going to make it or not. my MIL in the 30's lost her three cousins, three brothers who died before turning 5, all came down with viruses in the winter and died. plenty of food and sanitation but no drugs. my father almost died in the late 40's of a childhood illness and there was plenty of sanitation. it no longer hits kids because they are vaccinated. jeez

In the 1970s, when I went to the cemetery with my grandmother, I would go play in the children's section of the cemetery where they had all the little tombstones with statutes of angels and lambs. So many kids died young they had a special little section because their parents didn't own a plot yet.

Sounds like a lot of people have never done that.

I also remember how miserable I was when having mumps (no vaccine), was hospitalized with chicken pox (no vaccine), and did finally get the measles vaccine when it became available because there was an outbreak at my school. I did end up with hearing loss from the mumps.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

Finally, someone mentioned the real cause of decline in childhood diseases: sanitation! Combined with greater food availability this is where life expectancy really improved. Vaccines have just tried to take credit for what sanitation and nutrition really did.

If you doubt this, try and explain Scarlet Fever, which has no vaccine and used to kill thousands a year.

This is too bad. I used to enjoy going out to Big Sky and Glacier National Park.

I guess I will spend my travel dollars elsewhere, where people want to protect themselves from viruses.

Anonymous wrote:I support this idea. I hope Virginia followes,
We learned a lot in the past 3 years about vaccines and IMO a lot of them might not be needed.

Do you agree that parents should have the final say on what vaccines are needed?
Since covid routines vaccines have been dropping and we will disagree if this a good or bad ideaZz


https://www.mtpr.org/montana-news/2023-03-15/montana-considers-new-wave-of-legislation-to-loosen-vaccination-rules

It’s not like the vaccine rules matter anyway. Do you think evangelical Christians send their kids to public school?

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

The goobers are counting all the shots in a series to make it seem more dramatic. Counting three doses of Hep B as “three shots” vs “one inoculation” and so on vs saying that kids are vaccinated against 15 or so different diseases.

Take a trip through any cemetery of age, antivaxxers, and maybe wonder why you get so hung up on a few shots vs your kids dying from preventable disease. Maybe we should undo the sewage treatment plants next? Typhoid, diphtheria and maybe even cholera?! Yeah!! PrO lIfE!

MTG was right about a national divorce. Do what you want in your backward @ss red states and live with the consequences. NO BAILOUTS

Anonymous wrote:My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.

They are counting yearly flu and covid shots to make it seem dramatic.

Anonymous wrote:Time for polio to make a comeback! Yeehah! Wheelchair and orthopedics companies will make a killing!

You actually raise an interesting point. I wonder if drug and medical device companies are funding some of these movements. I don’t think they are making a killing on routine vaccines anymore—so creating lifelong polio patients might be a good source of future revenue.

I have yet to see any evidence that the 2019 schedule produces better outcomes than the 1986 schedule, or even the schedule the boomers had.

Wait. I'm a boomer and it would have been great to have a chicken pox vaccine and a mumps vaccine and a measles vaccine back when I was a kid. I got those things. They are serious diseases and quite scary. My mother was legally blind due to having measles as a baby. Nobody got us in line for the polio vaccine faster than she did. Big memory for me. I think Montana is a beautiful state, but wow.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There didn't seem to be any real gain in health outcomes going from the 13 or so doses GenX got to the 53 or so that kids get today. Rolling it back to what most people posting here got makes a ton of sense.

I'm not counting 53, perhaps I missed more than a few

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf

It is 12 shots/25 antigens in 1986 compared to 54 shots/70 antigens in 2019.

I have yet to see any evidence that the 2019 schedule produces better outcomes than the 1986 schedule, or even the schedule the boomers had.

well, this is my evidence. we got measles as kids, my sister and i were 8 and 5 and were miserable (I m 57 and I still remember the purple bumps all over our body and the itching and putting mint poweder on the skin to alleviate the itching) my brother was 1.5 year old and got it too, really badly. after he recovered, he still stopped growing for over a year and had developed hearing problems, which he never recovered from. and we were lucky because none of us developed life threatening complications for died, as is not uncommon for measles. my brother was born in 1973 and in our country vaccine for measles was not available at that time, so yes, now is better than then.

vaccines are victims of their success, people dont remember as it was before vaccines, when it was normal for kids to die

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There didn't seem to be any real gain in health outcomes going from the 13 or so doses GenX got to the 53 or so that kids get today. Rolling it back to what most people posting here got makes a ton of sense.

Did you really just travel from the future to argue on DCUM?

Anonymous wrote:There didn't seem to be any real gain in health outcomes going from the 13 or so doses GenX got to the 53 or so that kids get today. Rolling it back to what most people posting here got makes a ton of sense.

My kid hasn’t gotten 53 shots.
Did I miss some?
She’s 7.