Anonymous
02/27/2023 20:39
Subject: Re:Tired of Managing Millenials
I’m taking tomorrow off to fly to Florida and work for a week at the beach. I told my boss today and he couldn’t have cared less.
If people earn the time and do good work, why should one care?
If people earn the time and do good work, why should one care?
Anonymous
02/27/2023 20:39
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oh dear god, OP. You'll manage for one whole week without two people. Can you imagine your boss telling you that you can't go to your kid's graduation? That's pretty heartless.
Signed, Gen X who's sick of everyone's sh*t
This. Another Gen X, also sick af of everyone.
+3, GenXer. Be smarter, op. You can figure this out. If my boss told me I couldn't take time off for a wedding or my kids graduation, my resume would be out there quick and I'd be finding another job. They're not your slaves, and you're the manager for a reason - it's your job to solve problems.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 20:37
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
OP I hope both of them quit and you’re stuck scrambling. They don’t deserve your garbage leadership.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 20:36
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op you suck.
It’s not ‘asking’ to take time off, they’re not your slaves. They are telling you they will be gone. Stop being a jerk.
NP. That’s not accurate. Vacation requests need to be approved. You don’t “tell” anyone you’ll be gone…despite how much you wish you could. When you are a partner, principal or owner, you can “tell.” Until then you ask, like everyone else.
+1. Some of you clearly don’t work in the private sector. I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to seek manager’s approval to take time off.
I work in the private sector at a director level. I tell my leadership when I will be out, and my team tells me when they will be out. If multiple people are out at the same time, we work together to coordinate coverage / work ahead / adjust accordingly. People have earned their PTO and they should be able to use it for the things that are important to them.
You might be the only competent director here. I’m a VP at A f100 and this is how I expect everyone to operate. I even allow people to get days ‘advanced’ if they’re typically hard workers. My team maintains talent because I’m not in charge of what’s important to them.
Everyone else in this thread, Get a clue.
PP you quoted. Without intending to start anything controversial, I'll also note that this is an area where I have found diversity among my team members to be really practical. With a team representing different cultures/religions and stages in life (kids, no kids, various ages, etc.), I typically have employees who are around and able to cover for each other on major holidays, school breaks/days off, etc. I didn't plan for that intentionally, but I've found it to beneficial in this regard.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 20:34
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op you suck.
It’s not ‘asking’ to take time off, they’re not your slaves. They are telling you they will be gone. Stop being a jerk.
NP. That’s not accurate. Vacation requests need to be approved. You don’t “tell” anyone you’ll be gone…despite how much you wish you could. When you are a partner, principal or owner, you can “tell.” Until then you ask, like everyone else.
Sorry you’ve had incompetent management your entire career. You deserve better. Like someone who doesn’t tell you when to be a good little soldier and when you can get lunch. Do you ask to use the bathroom too?
Anonymous
02/27/2023 20:31
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:I have two this week who are throwing fits b/c they both asked for the same week off (one for a wedding and the other for her son’s HS graduation). The former went and booked tickets even before asking for the time off. She announced to me today that she will shift her workload during that time to another employee, also without checking with me. I’ve told the two of them to work it out or I will make an executive decision neither will like. We are a small office and May will be very busy. I cannot have two employees out the same week. The fact that you bought tickets to travel before getting approved leave is not my problem. Ditto that your son’s graduation is also that week.
Is this a joke? If you're not a troll, you've clearly succeeded in failing up.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 20:24
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op you suck.
It’s not ‘asking’ to take time off, they’re not your slaves. They are telling you they will be gone. Stop being a jerk.
NP. That’s not accurate. Vacation requests need to be approved. You don’t “tell” anyone you’ll be gone…despite how much you wish you could. When you are a partner, principal or owner, you can “tell.” Until then you ask, like everyone else.
+1. Some of you clearly don’t work in the private sector. I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to seek manager’s approval to take time off.
I work in the private sector at a director level. I tell my leadership when I will be out, and my team tells me when they will be out. If multiple people are out at the same time, we work together to coordinate coverage / work ahead / adjust accordingly. People have earned their PTO and they should be able to use it for the things that are important to them.
You might be the only competent director here. I’m a VP at A f100 and this is how I expect everyone to operate. I even allow people to get days ‘advanced’ if they’re typically hard workers. My team maintains talent because I’m not in charge of what’s important to them.
Everyone else in this thread, Get a clue.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 20:21
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Oh dear god, OP. You'll manage for one whole week without two people. Can you imagine your boss telling you that you can't go to your kid's graduation? That's pretty heartless.
Signed, Gen X who's sick of everyone's sh*t
This. Another Gen X, also sick af of everyone.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 20:05
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
I work for a government agency. Here’s the reg:
3 FAM 3412 a) An employee who has followed prescribed procedures for requesting and receiving approval of annual leave has a right to leave (subject to the supervisor’s right to fix the time at which leave may be taken).
3 FAM 3412 c) A supervisor has an obligation to consider both the needs of the office and the employee’s right to schedule and take annual leave before approving requested leave.
3 FAM 3412 a) An employee who has followed prescribed procedures for requesting and receiving approval of annual leave has a right to leave (subject to the supervisor’s right to fix the time at which leave may be taken).
3 FAM 3412 c) A supervisor has an obligation to consider both the needs of the office and the employee’s right to schedule and take annual leave before approving requested leave.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 20:00
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
A millennial has a son in high school?
Anonymous
02/27/2023 19:56
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
OP, you're a terrible boss and your company sucks. If you can't handle people using their time of they earned, that is on you..You should find more staff or cover the work for them while they're out since you're boss.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 19:54
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
If you deny a request, they’ll just lie to you and be sick.
I had a boss on a power trip who once told me I couldn’t have a day off. I never told her the truth again.
I had a boss on a power trip who once told me I couldn’t have a day off. I never told her the truth again.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 19:53
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op you suck.
It’s not ‘asking’ to take time off, they’re not your slaves. They are telling you they will be gone. Stop being a jerk.
NP. That’s not accurate. Vacation requests need to be approved. You don’t “tell” anyone you’ll be gone…despite how much you wish you could. When you are a partner, principal or owner, you can “tell.” Until then you ask, like everyone else.
+1. Some of you clearly don’t work in the private sector. I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to seek manager’s approval to take time off.
I work in the private sector at a director level. I tell my leadership when I will be out, and my team tells me when they will be out. If multiple people are out at the same time, we work together to coordinate coverage / work ahead / adjust accordingly. People have earned their PTO and they should be able to use it for the things that are important to them.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 19:49
Subject: Re:Tired of Managing Millenials
OP you haven’t answered yet whether this is your company that you personally own or not.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 19:49
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
OP, let me ask you this, how in the world would you manage if both these employees got hit by a bus on the way to work and couldn't come in? Would your business grind to a halt?
If your business is so short staffed that you are one deep in every position and taking leave is such an issue, you need to look at how you are running the business.
Because what's next? Oh sorry Sally, I realize your mom died, but Jenny already had off this week. You have to come in?
If your business is so short staffed that you are one deep in every position and taking leave is such an issue, you need to look at how you are running the business.
Because what's next? Oh sorry Sally, I realize your mom died, but Jenny already had off this week. You have to come in?