Anonymous
02/27/2023 17:33
Subject: Redshirting girls?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It depends on your future plans. If you want to stay with private schools K-12, or at least until the end of middle school, keep in mind that the private schools often recommend earlier “unofficial” cutoffs and routine holding back of kids with summer and even late spring birthdays. If you are planning on starting public elementary it’s a different story. Yes, girls are redshirted too in public but it’s less common than boys and tends to be the girls born very close to the cutoff in August/September.
We plan to stay with private through high school.
Then honestly I would do what they recommend. There’s at least one very bitter poster on here who didn’t redshirt a summer birthday kid in private, didn’t understand the concept of private school unofficial cutoffs, and the kid is now by far the youngest in their class with behavior and experiences to match. If you were going to go to public it would be different.
Not all young for the grade kids have behavioral problems. So, you are saying because one child has behavioral issues, all youngest will.
Private schools routinely recommend redshirting the summer birthday kids and are open to redshirting the late spring kids too, especially boys. I’m just letting OP know how it is.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 17:31
Subject: Re:Redshirting girls?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the absence of providing some reason, I would be suspicious that the school just wants another year of tuition.
I wouldn't do it unless you think she's going to struggle in her age cohort.
We really don't. She's 3 so it is hard to know far ahead. She is currently in a montessori preschool for 3-6 year olds. Her teachers have no concerns. We've had two conferences and there was nothing mentioned regarding her development, focus, or maturity. I went to observe her in class and she was doing great. She didn’t notice I was there until another student told her. She enjoys school and learning. She does get bored easily. She's in gymnastics, swimming, and ice skating so we've had a chance to see how she follows instruction and all that outside of a school setting. No concerns from us, but again she does get bored easily. She's told her gymnastics instructor a couple of times that she was bored with the lesson. She is not some child prodigy though. She doesn't know all of her letters or letter sounds.
Just a 3 year old who picks up on things quickly and isn't shy. She's also small. Like 15 %tile height.
Some kids will be small no matter what you choose. Don't hold back for no good reason.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 17:31
Subject: Redshirting girls?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It depends on your future plans. If you want to stay with private schools K-12, or at least until the end of middle school, keep in mind that the private schools often recommend earlier “unofficial” cutoffs and routine holding back of kids with summer and even late spring birthdays. If you are planning on starting public elementary it’s a different story. Yes, girls are redshirted too in public but it’s less common than boys and tends to be the girls born very close to the cutoff in August/September.
We plan to stay with private through high school.
Then honestly I would do what they recommend. There’s at least one very bitter poster on here who didn’t redshirt a summer birthday kid in private, didn’t understand the concept of private school unofficial cutoffs, and the kid is now by far the youngest in their class with behavior and experiences to match. If you were going to go to public it would be different.
Not all young for the grade kids have behavioral problems. So, you are saying because one child has behavioral issues, all youngest will.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 17:30
Subject: Redshirting girls?
Anonymous wrote:Looking way down the line to high school, if you're going to stay in private school and you don't redshirt, you're going to be dealing with a lot of boys who are redshirted and are much older than your daughter. Your daughter will be a class with a lot of males who are 12-15 months older than she is. I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with that.
A lot of high school classes are mixed age so regardless of your child's age that will happen.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 17:27
Subject: Redshirting girls?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It depends on your future plans. If you want to stay with private schools K-12, or at least until the end of middle school, keep in mind that the private schools often recommend earlier “unofficial” cutoffs and routine holding back of kids with summer and even late spring birthdays. If you are planning on starting public elementary it’s a different story. Yes, girls are redshirted too in public but it’s less common than boys and tends to be the girls born very close to the cutoff in August/September.
We plan to stay with private through high school.
Then honestly I would do what they recommend. There’s at least one very bitter poster on here who didn’t redshirt a summer birthday kid in private, didn’t understand the concept of private school unofficial cutoffs, and the kid is now by far the youngest in their class with behavior and experiences to match. If you were going to go to public it would be different.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 17:19
Subject: Redshirting girls?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your school just wants more tuition. It doesn’t sound like she needs to be held back unless she has some other sort of delay. Being small physically isn’t a factor for learning and aptitude.
How is the school making more money?
Because the child will be 5 at the private pre-K. At 5 if not redshirted she would go to, we are assuming, a public kindergarten.
Why make that assumption when Op says public PK not public K. This isn’t some evil plot by the school. She would do PK there either way.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 17:17
Subject: Redshirting girls?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your school just wants more tuition. It doesn’t sound like she needs to be held back unless she has some other sort of delay. Being small physically isn’t a factor for learning and aptitude.
How is the school making more money?
Because the child will be 5 at the private pre-K. At 5 if not redshirted she would go to, we are assuming, a public kindergarten.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 17:16
Subject: Redshirting girls?
Anonymous wrote:It depends on your future plans. If you want to stay with private schools K-12, or at least until the end of middle school, keep in mind that the private schools often recommend earlier “unofficial” cutoffs and routine holding back of kids with summer and even late spring birthdays. If you are planning on starting public elementary it’s a different story. Yes, girls are redshirted too in public but it’s less common than boys and tends to be the girls born very close to the cutoff in August/September.
We plan to stay with private through high school.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 17:10
Subject: Redshirting girls?
Anonymous wrote:Your school just wants more tuition. It doesn’t sound like she needs to be held back unless she has some other sort of delay. Being small physically isn’t a factor for learning and aptitude.
How is the school making more money?
Anonymous
02/27/2023 17:07
Subject: Redshirting girls?
It depends on your future plans. If you want to stay with private schools K-12, or at least until the end of middle school, keep in mind that the private schools often recommend earlier “unofficial” cutoffs and routine holding back of kids with summer and even late spring birthdays. If you are planning on starting public elementary it’s a different story. Yes, girls are redshirted too in public but it’s less common than boys and tends to be the girls born very close to the cutoff in August/September.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 17:02
Subject: Redshirting girls?
Your school just wants more tuition. It doesn’t sound like she needs to be held back unless she has some other sort of delay. Being small physically isn’t a factor for learning and aptitude.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:51
Subject: Re:Redshirting girls?
Anonymous wrote:In the absence of providing some reason, I would be suspicious that the school just wants another year of tuition.
I wouldn't do it unless you think she's going to struggle in her age cohort.
We really don't. She's 3 so it is hard to know far ahead. She is currently in a montessori preschool for 3-6 year olds. Her teachers have no concerns. We've had two conferences and there was nothing mentioned regarding her development, focus, or maturity. I went to observe her in class and she was doing great. She didn’t notice I was there until another student told her. She enjoys school and learning. She does get bored easily. She's in gymnastics, swimming, and ice skating so we've had a chance to see how she follows instruction and all that outside of a school setting. No concerns from us, but again she does get bored easily. She's told her gymnastics instructor a couple of times that she was bored with the lesson. She is not some child prodigy though. She doesn't know all of her letters or letter sounds.
Just a 3 year old who picks up on things quickly and isn't shy. She's also small. Like 15 %tile height.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:35
Subject: Redshirting girls?
Looking way down the line to high school, if you're going to stay in private school and you don't redshirt, you're going to be dealing with a lot of boys who are redshirted and are much older than your daughter. Your daughter will be a class with a lot of males who are 12-15 months older than she is. I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with that.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:28
Subject: Redshirting girls?
Anonymous wrote:Anyone with longer term examples of how the kid is now in HS or college? I know two examples - one was pretty mature and academically oriented and mostly bored at school. For the other it worked great and she was the biggest kid on the teams, which worked for her.
Niece was born in mid-Sept. She started K at 4 and 350+ days. She ended up repeating K on the teacher's advice who said while bright she was emotionally behind the other kids. Academically it was fine; she learned the material presented to her and did v well but i get the sense that she would also have done well if she had been the year ahead.
By high school she was bored of the other kids' drama and couldnt wait for college. But she had an older sibling in college and her boyfriend graduated a year ahead of her. She also is a recruited athlete in at DI college that is nationally ranked in her sport. She made significant improvements summer after junior year; if that had happened summer after her senior year she would have been recruited to a less competitive a program.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:26
Subject: Redshirting girls?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You can’t be serious. They can’t give a reason you should hold your daughter back — behavioral, academic readiness, social, emotional — because there isn’t one! They want money from you for another year. That’s it. I definitely would not red shirt and I’d frankly be ticked off that her school cares more about making money off of you than your daughter’s academic growth. Gross.
OP here. My husband feels the way you feel. I was surprised, but can be swayed either way. However, I am beyond annoyed/frustrated and it is changing my outlook on the school.
I think you guys both have the right to feel annoyed and frustrated. Clearly, the pre-K program wants you to have your child repeat a grade because they want money. They don’t want to spend the time or resources to recruit or invest in a new students if they don’t have to. However, this is an enormous disservice to your child, and any other classmates, and their families who are being told to hold their kids back when there is no reason for holding them back. Your child is ready for kindergarten, her school does not have the best intentions of its students at heart, and you are being swindled. Plain and simple.
OP said one year of PK in private and one in public. Where's the swindle? She's doing the same amount of years at the private school either way.