Anonymous wrote:I am from the UK and went to a UK university. My kids have been educated entirely in the USA from pre-K thru HS and we're all Americans now. One of my kids at least, will apply to UK universities for the fact he definitely won't want to do a range of courses as required by us colleges (math / science / language etc), but just one focused course that interests him deeply, right from the start. He will also want a single bedroom from the start, which most UK universities can offer, rather than a sharing situation. These are the main reasons.
While UK university tuition for overseas students does offer some respite from US costs, it's not comparable to in-state tuition savings and you obviously have the price of travel. Many universities will not allow you to stay in your dorm during certain vacations in the UK either, so you have the cost of moving your stuff out and finding somewhere to stay if you don't return to the US.

Anonymous wrote:Hmm, I thought US students are limited (due to the terms of the Tier 4 visa) to 20 hours/week during term breaks. Big internships are full-time and then some.

Yes, I’ve heard of the City 🙄

Anonymous wrote:But by all means stay here and complain about the extremely rare chance of getting shot.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind that most US employers cannot name the “other” universities in Britain and don’t hold Oxbridge in a HYP level of esteem.

This may be true in that most US employers are small and local. But recruiters at large or prestigous US companies have a very good idea of the relative merit of UK universities. I can assure you that Google or Facebook employ tens of thousands of graduates from the UK and Europe.

+1 I work at a FAANG, have done for almost 20 years. We have people from all over the world working in the US and, of course, all over the world. They recruit locally.

How can posters on dcum not realize this? I thought dcum posters were sophisticated.

Most dcum posters are provincial fools who believe the Earth rotates around the WH.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind that most US employers cannot name the “other” universities in Britain and don’t hold Oxbridge in a HYP level of esteem.

This may be true in that most US employers are small and local. But recruiters at large or prestigous US companies have a very good idea of the relative merit of UK universities. I can assure you that Google or Facebook employ tens of thousands of graduates from the UK and Europe.

+1 I work at a FAANG, have done for almost 20 years. We have people from all over the world working in the US and, of course, all over the world. They recruit locally.

How can posters on dcum not realize this? I thought dcum posters were sophisticated.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind that most US employers cannot name the “other” universities in Britain and don’t hold Oxbridge in a HYP level of esteem.

This may be true in that most US employers are small and local. But recruiters at large or prestigous US companies have a very good idea of the relative merit of UK universities. I can assure you that Google or Facebook employ tens of thousands of graduates from the UK and Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:My niece is targeting colleges in the UK due to the cost savings. Depending on the college, the tuition can be much cheaper than the U.S. even when adjusting for COL. Also, for some degrees, she is able to combine/shorten number of years in school.

OP here - that makes sense. Thanks.

+1. small liberal college in the US just accepted kid for $80K total a year. St Andrews for about $44K total (locked for 4 years) and Edinburg is even less than that. guess which we are flying to visit after being accepted. oh, as a bonus kid may also have a better chance to complete college experience without crossing path with some deranged idiot with an AR-15 who decided to go down in flames bringing some students with him. we considered also a great school for my kid's field of interest in the Netherland, tuition there would have been like 2000 euro.

cost of college in the US is beyond nuts and the idea that you can only study in the US because, other than Oxbridge, schools abroad are not that highly retated, as a poster seems to suggest, is dumb. so many kids in my kid's 12th grade class in DCPS who applied, and got accepted by, schools abroad, mostly England, Scotland, Netherlands, Australia are applying abroad

Actually your costs are $57,720 not including airfare and hotels plus same for relatives going over to set up the dorm and for graduation. You didn’t include all the costs in excess of tuition. After all, your $80k cite is “ all in”. So
Let’s compare apples and oranges.And good luck with the fact that Americans, especially women, are treated as second rate. How about the Housing crisis at St Andrews. And how about that massive drinking culture? Your kid is far more apt to return to the states a victim of date rape and an alcoholic . And without a job because the careers office there doesn’t reach to wall street

Even if we assume $57k is true, that's still $23k less than $80k

Did your kid have a bad experience at St Andrews? I'm very sorry for what seems like traumatic stuff based on what your comment implies, but that experience simply is not universal. St Andrews is top in the UK for student experience.

Who says women and Americans are treated as second rate? In my personal experience I have seen no evidence of this. Again, an anomaly is not universal. The housing costs are less than DC, less than NYC, etc. Alcoholic? really? Drinking is more prevalent, but more controlled, supervised in pub/club settings, and because it's not happening in a frat basement. I've heard way more horror stories of heads smashed and crashed cars and stomachs pumped from drinking in American schools than I have heard from St Andrews.

"And without a job because the careers office there doesn’t reach to wall street"
Hahaha please.
If your DC wants a job on Wall Street, yourschool's career center isn't going to be the defining factor.
Being well-connected is one way. But the harder way is to start early—your DC should be doing spring insight and other events run by firms from year 1 and year 2. Taking on analyst roles in student funds or investment societies from y1/y2. Ideally get some sort of finance internship or role for summer after y2, and then network and apply for summer analyst roles for penultimate summer. Then get the return offer—not many other easy ways to get a desired role on Wall St. It's not the fault of the St Andrews career center that your DC doesn't work on Wall St

Anonymous wrote:Oxbridge are cream of the crop and equivalent to top 5-10 in the US. Any other UK unis, I’m going to assume you couldn’t cut it a top US school so had to hop the pond. I know for a fact I’m not the only one who thinks this way.

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Anonymous wrote:My niece is targeting colleges in the UK due to the cost savings. Depending on the college, the tuition can be much cheaper than the U.S. even when adjusting for COL. Also, for some degrees, she is able to combine/shorten number of years in school.

OP here - that makes sense. Thanks.

+1. small liberal college in the US just accepted kid for $80K total a year. St Andrews for about $44K total (locked for 4 years) and Edinburg is even less than that. guess which we are flying to visit after being accepted. oh, as a bonus kid may also have a better chance to complete college experience without crossing path with some deranged idiot with an AR-15 who decided to go down in flames bringing some students with him. we considered also a great school for my kid's field of interest in the Netherland, tuition there would have been like 2000 euro.

cost of college in the US is beyond nuts and the idea that you can only study in the US because, other than Oxbridge, schools abroad are not that highly retated, as a poster seems to suggest, is dumb. so many kids in my kid's 12th grade class in DCPS who applied, and got accepted by, schools abroad, mostly England, Scotland, Netherlands, Australia are applying abroad

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Better experience, all around.

DP I have first hand experience with Oxford. But by all means stay here and complain about the extremely rare chance of getting shot. Chances are the other problems listed above will be a problem, not a shooting. It’s cold, expensive (you have to buy everything anew -DC was sent off to Oxford with one large suitcase. Everything else had to be purchased over there. Because of the energy crisis, all costs have surged and students have protested at Oxford and other schools about no heat in their (often) stone dorm rooms with antiquated windows. Food prices are obscene. Women are indeed marginalized. St Andrews four year program, while different from the regular three year program, still expects students to be better educated and better writers than they are. The drinking culture is a much more serious problem than in theUSz. You have a lecture at 11 and the sherry trolley is rolled out at noon. Good luck but go into it with open eyes and remember everyone knows St Andrews started this courting of rich American students after it almost perished post WWII. This is all googleable. It’s not as dreamy as you think. Which is why Kate and others went there. It’s not for serious students

The St Andrews hater really manages to spend all of their time on DCUM

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Anonymous wrote:My niece is targeting colleges in the UK due to the cost savings. Depending on the college, the tuition can be much cheaper than the U.S. even when adjusting for COL. Also, for some degrees, she is able to combine/shorten number of years in school.

OP here - that makes sense. Thanks.

+1. small liberal college in the US just accepted kid for $80K total a year. St Andrews for about $44K total (locked for 4 years) and Edinburg is even less than that. guess which we are flying to visit after being accepted. oh, as a bonus kid may also have a better chance to complete college experience without crossing path with some deranged idiot with an AR-15 who decided to go down in flames bringing some students with him. we considered also a great school for my kid's field of interest in the Netherland, tuition there would have been like 2000 euro.

cost of college in the US is beyond nuts and the idea that you can only study in the US because, other than Oxbridge, schools abroad are not that highly retated, as a poster seems to suggest, is dumb. so many kids in my kid's 12th grade class in DCPS who applied, and got accepted by, schools abroad, mostly England, Scotland, Netherlands, Australia are applying abroad

+1

Better experience, all around.

DP I have first hand experience with Oxford. But by all means stay here and complain about the extremely rare chance of getting shot. Chances are the other problems listed above will be a problem, not a shooting. It’s cold, expensive (you have to buy everything anew -DC was sent off to Oxford with one large suitcase. Everything else had to be purchased over there. Because of the energy crisis, all costs have surged and students have protested at Oxford and other schools about no heat in their (often) stone dorm rooms with antiquated windows. Food prices are obscene. Women are indeed marginalized. St Andrews four year program, while different from the regular three year program, still expects students to be better educated and better writers than they are. The drinking culture is a much more serious problem than in theUSz. You have a lecture at 11 and the sherry trolley is rolled out at noon. Good luck but go into it with open eyes and remember everyone knows St Andrews started this courting of rich American students after it almost perished post WWII. This is all googleable. It’s not as dreamy as you think. Which is why Kate and others went there. It’s not for serious students