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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Are you not in the business of protecting your family when they are on sidewalks, crossing streets, playing in the yard or in a friends yard, etc.? Because I am in that business and that is why I hate SUVs.

Fun fact: if a driver loses control of their vehicle and runs into your family sitting on the outdoor patio of a coffee shop, you and your children are more likely to die if the vehicle is an SUV than if it is a sedan.

So when I rail against SUVs, I'm actually trying to protect you and your family, even though you don't give a flying f--k about me and mine. Have a good one! I hope you don't have to spend any time outside your SUV!

Well, I can get hit by a meteor just walking down the street too. I'll still take my chances since most collisions don't occur by drivers plowing people sitting in a coffee shop (statistics). Since I'm statistically more likely to be involved in a collision while in my vehicle, I feel pretty good about my choice. Your concern is touching albeit misguided.

Statistics, huh? According to the IIHS, it's true that a greater proportion of passenger and driver deaths in multi-vehicle collisions were riding in cars. However, SUVs and pickups are more likely to get into single-vehicle crashes, and therefore account for more driver and passenger deaths in single-vehicle crashes.

Pedestrians deaths from vehicle account for about 17% of all vehicular deaths. That's about 1 in 6. So a little more likely than a meteor hitting you as you walk down the street.

You think you SUV is safer for you, but that's arguable and based more on your beliefs than on facts. It's definitely more dangerous for other people -- that's just fact.

So 17% of deaths are pedestrians but I should still care more about that than a collision with another car? Bless your heart.

Do you always just read the parts that support your point and ignore the parts that don't. Your SUV is more likely to tip over and kill the people inside, dummy.

Also, which SUV are you buying. In a multi-car collision, you are more likely to die if you are in the smaller vehicle. As someone upthread noted, the majority of car sales in the US are now SUVs. So are you going out and buying the largest possible SUV? If not, then your family is less safe -- your crossover isn't going to cut it when it gets hit by something larger. PLUS it's more likely to kill pedestrians. PLUS its more likely to get into an accident all by itself.

All by itself, huh. OK, now I know you're off your rocker. As I have stated numerous time, my priority is my family. My SUV still stands a much better chance than your Prius in ANY collision. You drive whatever the hell you want, teach your children to cross the street properly and don't worry about what the rest of us are doing. I promise you, it will make your life a whole lot happier.

Wow victim blaming at its finest. Yep. its the kids crossing the streets fault. God you are despicable.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a small EV SUV. I went for an SUV so I’d have better visibility.

SUVs/trucks notoriously have a large frontal blind spot that makes it really easy to run over children.

There's a huge difference between a small crossover and something like and Escalade.

barf... you do you, and let the rest of the world make up their own minds.

this lady needs to give the white suv hate a rest

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Are you not in the business of protecting your family when they are on sidewalks, crossing streets, playing in the yard or in a friends yard, etc.? Because I am in that business and that is why I hate SUVs.

Fun fact: if a driver loses control of their vehicle and runs into your family sitting on the outdoor patio of a coffee shop, you and your children are more likely to die if the vehicle is an SUV than if it is a sedan.

So when I rail against SUVs, I'm actually trying to protect you and your family, even though you don't give a flying f--k about me and mine. Have a good one! I hope you don't have to spend any time outside your SUV!

Well, I can get hit by a meteor just walking down the street too. I'll still take my chances since most collisions don't occur by drivers plowing people sitting in a coffee shop (statistics). Since I'm statistically more likely to be involved in a collision while in my vehicle, I feel pretty good about my choice. Your concern is touching albeit misguided.

Statistics, huh? According to the IIHS, it's true that a greater proportion of passenger and driver deaths in multi-vehicle collisions were riding in cars. However, SUVs and pickups are more likely to get into single-vehicle crashes, and therefore account for more driver and passenger deaths in single-vehicle crashes.

Pedestrians deaths from vehicle account for about 17% of all vehicular deaths. That's about 1 in 6. So a little more likely than a meteor hitting you as you walk down the street.

You think you SUV is safer for you, but that's arguable and based more on your beliefs than on facts. It's definitely more dangerous for other people -- that's just fact.

So 17% of deaths are pedestrians but I should still care more about that than a collision with another car? Bless your heart.

Do you always just read the parts that support your point and ignore the parts that don't. Your SUV is more likely to tip over and kill the people inside, dummy.

Also, which SUV are you buying. In a multi-car collision, you are more likely to die if you are in the smaller vehicle. As someone upthread noted, the majority of car sales in the US are now SUVs. So are you going out and buying the largest possible SUV? If not, then your family is less safe -- your crossover isn't going to cut it when it gets hit by something larger. PLUS it's more likely to kill pedestrians. PLUS its more likely to get into an accident all by itself.

All by itself, huh. OK, now I know you're off your rocker. As I have stated numerous time, my priority is my family. My SUV still stands a much better chance than your Prius in ANY collision. You drive whatever the hell you want, teach your children to cross the street properly and don't worry about what the rest of us are doing. I promise you, it will make your life a whole lot happier.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a small EV SUV. I went for an SUV so I’d have better visibility.

SUVs/trucks notoriously have a large frontal blind spot that makes it really easy to run over children.

Modern ones have 360/front cameras and tons of sensors. Plus, you can see farther out to monitor what’s happening on sidewalks, etc.

Old timey massive SUV? Terrible visibility. Modern little SUV? Great visibility - better than most cars.

Good for you.

I will keep my SUV it's not huge however it is amazing.

Right now we have way bigger issues in this country.

People are buying EV's in droves.

Anonymous wrote:I have a small EV SUV. I went for an SUV so I’d have better visibility.

SUVs/trucks notoriously have a large frontal blind spot that makes it really easy to run over children.

I have a compact SUV but I'm perfectly fine with getting a larger one in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Are you not in the business of protecting your family when they are on sidewalks, crossing streets, playing in the yard or in a friends yard, etc.? Because I am in that business and that is why I hate SUVs.

Fun fact: if a driver loses control of their vehicle and runs into your family sitting on the outdoor patio of a coffee shop, you and your children are more likely to die if the vehicle is an SUV than if it is a sedan.

So when I rail against SUVs, I'm actually trying to protect you and your family, even though you don't give a flying f--k about me and mine. Have a good one! I hope you don't have to spend any time outside your SUV!

Well, I can get hit by a meteor just walking down the street too. I'll still take my chances since most collisions don't occur by drivers plowing people sitting in a coffee shop (statistics). Since I'm statistically more likely to be involved in a collision while in my vehicle, I feel pretty good about my choice. Your concern is touching albeit misguided.

Statistics, huh? According to the IIHS, it's true that a greater proportion of passenger and driver deaths in multi-vehicle collisions were riding in cars. However, SUVs and pickups are more likely to get into single-vehicle crashes, and therefore account for more driver and passenger deaths in single-vehicle crashes.

Pedestrians deaths from vehicle account for about 17% of all vehicular deaths. That's about 1 in 6. So a little more likely than a meteor hitting you as you walk down the street.

You think you SUV is safer for you, but that's arguable and based more on your beliefs than on facts. It's definitely more dangerous for other people -- that's just fact.

So 17% of deaths are pedestrians but I should still care more about that than a collision with another car? Bless your heart.

Do you always just read the parts that support your point and ignore the parts that don't. Your SUV is more likely to tip over and kill the people inside, dummy.

Also, which SUV are you buying. In a multi-car collision, you are more likely to die if you are in the smaller vehicle. As someone upthread noted, the majority of car sales in the US are now SUVs. So are you going out and buying the largest possible SUV? If not, then your family is less safe -- your crossover isn't going to cut it when it gets hit by something larger. PLUS it's more likely to kill pedestrians. PLUS its more likely to get into an accident all by itself.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Are you not in the business of protecting your family when they are on sidewalks, crossing streets, playing in the yard or in a friends yard, etc.? Because I am in that business and that is why I hate SUVs.

Fun fact: if a driver loses control of their vehicle and runs into your family sitting on the outdoor patio of a coffee shop, you and your children are more likely to die if the vehicle is an SUV than if it is a sedan.

So when I rail against SUVs, I'm actually trying to protect you and your family, even though you don't give a flying f--k about me and mine. Have a good one! I hope you don't have to spend any time outside your SUV!

Well, I can get hit by a meteor just walking down the street too. I'll still take my chances since most collisions don't occur by drivers plowing people sitting in a coffee shop (statistics). Since I'm statistically more likely to be involved in a collision while in my vehicle, I feel pretty good about my choice. Your concern is touching albeit misguided.

Statistics, huh? According to the IIHS, it's true that a greater proportion of passenger and driver deaths in multi-vehicle collisions were riding in cars. However, SUVs and pickups are more likely to get into single-vehicle crashes, and therefore account for more driver and passenger deaths in single-vehicle crashes.

Pedestrians deaths from vehicle account for about 17% of all vehicular deaths. That's about 1 in 6. So a little more likely than a meteor hitting you as you walk down the street.

You think you SUV is safer for you, but that's arguable and based more on your beliefs than on facts. It's definitely more dangerous for other people -- that's just fact.

So 17% of deaths are pedestrians but I should still care more about that than a collision with another car? Bless your heart.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Everyone is safer if drivers have better visibility.

Not if that visibility is in an SUV. Maybe instead of making broad pronouncements based on what you wish was true, or what you feel to be true, try reading the studies that show that SUVs are 2 to 3 times more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists than sedans.

How many people die in sedans when they colide with a bigger vehicle vs. how many pedestrians die as a result of being hit by any vehicle? Since you're so hung up on numbers, let's pull some actual numbers.

I think it's insane that you want to prove your SUV is safer by explaining that when your SUV hits a sedan, it will kill the people in the sedan, but okay, here are your numbers:

https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/passenger-vehicle-occupants

I'm sure you'll jump all over the increased risk of death in multi-vehicle crashes when you are in a car versus an SUV, but don't overlook the increased risk of single-vehicle crashes in an SUV. You will argue your SUV is safer if you get hit by a truck. Fine. But your SUV is more likely to get into a single vehicle crash and kill its occupants. It's also more likely to kill the occupants of another vehicle in a multi-vehicle crash AND significantly more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists.

Your SUV is more dangerous than a car. You just want to drive a big vehicle and feel tall when you do it.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Are you not in the business of protecting your family when they are on sidewalks, crossing streets, playing in the yard or in a friends yard, etc.? Because I am in that business and that is why I hate SUVs.

Fun fact: if a driver loses control of their vehicle and runs into your family sitting on the outdoor patio of a coffee shop, you and your children are more likely to die if the vehicle is an SUV than if it is a sedan.

So when I rail against SUVs, I'm actually trying to protect you and your family, even though you don't give a flying f--k about me and mine. Have a good one! I hope you don't have to spend any time outside your SUV!

Well, I can get hit by a meteor just walking down the street too. I'll still take my chances since most collisions don't occur by drivers plowing people sitting in a coffee shop (statistics). Since I'm statistically more likely to be involved in a collision while in my vehicle, I feel pretty good about my choice. Your concern is touching albeit misguided.

Statistics, huh? According to the IIHS, it's true that a greater proportion of passenger and driver deaths in multi-vehicle collisions were riding in cars. However, SUVs and pickups are more likely to get into single-vehicle crashes, and therefore account for more driver and passenger deaths in single-vehicle crashes.

Pedestrians deaths from vehicle account for about 17% of all vehicular deaths. That's about 1 in 6. So a little more likely than a meteor hitting you as you walk down the street.

You think you SUV is safer for you, but that's arguable and based more on your beliefs than on facts. It's definitely more dangerous for other people -- that's just fact.

Oh great, another "SUVs are the root of all evil" post. Just what DCUM needed.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Everyone is safer if drivers have better visibility.

Not if that visibility is in an SUV. Maybe instead of making broad pronouncements based on what you wish was true, or what you feel to be true, try reading the studies that show that SUVs are 2 to 3 times more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists than sedans.

Which SUVs? The giant ones with bad visibility? Duh.

SUVs aren’t universally bad. In fact, some are better than sedans.