Anonymous
02/15/2023 05:22
Subject: Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This will kill his career. It’s not worth it. Tell him to stick the year out.
Nope. It’s not 2019 anymore. His career will be just fine.
Yep, absolute worst case he won’t teach in Loudoun again for 3 years. Any other district likely doesn’t care.
Yeah, good luck with getting recommendations.
I’m really sorry to disappoint you, but OP’s brother will be just fine and will have his pick of teaching jobs in the current market. “Recommendations?” LOL. “Oh, you’re interested, you have experience, you’re not a complete loon in the interview and you have no felony record. Oh, and you can start immediately? You’re hired.”
Anonymous
02/15/2023 05:20
Subject: Re:Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your brother’s a selfish ass.
No, you, and the other entities parents, are asses. It’s a job. He isn’t a slave and he didn’t enlist in the military.
Not OP
Learn the difference between "can" and "should". One shouldn't make their own happiness the deciding factor in every decision they make.
You aren’t the arbiter of “should.” It’s a job. He’ll quit. Deal with it.
Then I still contend that he's a selfish ass. You haven't made the case he's not.
No one cares what you “contend” and I don’t have to “make a case” to you. Get so very much over your entitled self.
Anonymous
02/15/2023 05:01
Subject: Re:Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your brother’s a selfish ass.
NP here.
No, he’s not. He shouldn’t have to stay somewhere he’s miserable. Teachers don’t have to give up their own happiness, and I get really tired of hearing that we do.
OP, I know many teachers who have left mid-year. I’ve lost three in my department this year alone. Every single one who wanted to teach somewhere else is currently teaching somewhere else. There’s such a shortage of teachers right now that the penalty for breaking contract is no longer an issue.
I hope he finds somewhere he is happy.
Because he made a commitment to teach a group of students. No one is asking him to stay for years on end. It’s just a few more months. If he leaves, there are students who are left picking up the check for his so-called happiness. I’ve been teaching for over 25 years. It’s really hard. I get it. I am not happy everyday and have worked for some horrendous principals. There’s no way I ever would have left my students hanging in the middle of the year. I’ve figured out what I need to do to leave and then made my move at the end of the year.
It is hard. I completely don't think folks should have to stay where they are miserable, but it can be also so hard on the kids. My son's 2nd grade teacher left in October. She just disappeared one day, there was never a goodbye to the kids. Again, I get it is a job and folks should be allowed to leave. But the kids had been through virtual K and then messed up 1st grade and then lost their teacher in 2nd and now they still only have a long term sub, who is wonderful but it just isn't the same. A lot of the kids (including mine) really struggled in the fall after she left (including them crying and asking if they were so bad that she wanted to leave them).
Again, she had a right to leave but I really wish she had been able to talk to them about leaving before she left. So I guess I just suggest your brother talk to his students and not just disappear one day. Teachers can mean a lot to kids and it can be hard for them to just be gone one day.
Administration doesn’t allow teachers leaving mid year to “talk to the kids ahead of time.”
So they never get to say goodbye? That is hard. I guess I don't know best practices on that.
It’s better this way. Most teachers who leave honestly make such a big deal about it and then get the kids worked up. They can never seem to manage a simple “you’ve been great, I’m taking a new job, you’re gonna love your new teacher!” So it’s just better to boot them and let the kids meet the new teacher and move on.
-teacher
Anonymous
02/14/2023 20:26
Subject: Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This will kill his career. It’s not worth it. Tell him to stick the year out.
Nope. It’s not 2019 anymore. His career will be just fine.
Yep, absolute worst case he won’t teach in Loudoun again for 3 years. Any other district likely doesn’t care.
Yeah, good luck with getting recommendations.
We’re at a historic low in the pool of available teachers, people in teacher training programs and/or people even wanting to sub. People who may have been blackballed 10 years ago will have no problem getting jobs again.
Exactly, if you can pass a background check you're good to go. He's already had another offer, his career isn't ruined and the shortage will not be a quick fix
Anonymous
02/14/2023 17:35
Subject: Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
He will be okay and he will be able to find another teaching job in the future. They are desperate for teachers everywhere.
BUT why leave mid year for another teaching position? It’s really hard to start in a classroom mid year. I would tell him to do it if his new job was a career switch. It doesn’t make sense to burn bridges to go to a private school. He may not like that job either. There will be plenty of openings at the end of the school year. Stick it out until June and start looking now for private school jobs for next school year.
BUT why leave mid year for another teaching position? It’s really hard to start in a classroom mid year. I would tell him to do it if his new job was a career switch. It doesn’t make sense to burn bridges to go to a private school. He may not like that job either. There will be plenty of openings at the end of the school year. Stick it out until June and start looking now for private school jobs for next school year.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 17:19
Subject: Re:Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Probably zero. He'll have no trouble finding work elsewhere, even in teaching.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 13:06
Subject: Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This will kill his career. It’s not worth it. Tell him to stick the year out.
Nope. It’s not 2019 anymore. His career will be just fine.
Yep, absolute worst case he won’t teach in Loudoun again for 3 years. Any other district likely doesn’t care.
Yeah, good luck with getting recommendations.
We’re at a historic low in the pool of available teachers, people in teacher training programs and/or people even wanting to sub. People who may have been blackballed 10 years ago will have no problem getting jobs again.
That...makes me feel so much better. Thanks.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 12:21
Subject: Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This will kill his career. It’s not worth it. Tell him to stick the year out.
Nope. It’s not 2019 anymore. His career will be just fine.
Yep, absolute worst case he won’t teach in Loudoun again for 3 years. Any other district likely doesn’t care.
Yeah, good luck with getting recommendations.
We’re at a historic low in the pool of available teachers, people in teacher training programs and/or people even wanting to sub. People who may have been blackballed 10 years ago will have no problem getting jobs again.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 10:47
Subject: Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This will kill his career. It’s not worth it. Tell him to stick the year out.
Nope. It’s not 2019 anymore. His career will be just fine.
Yep, absolute worst case he won’t teach in Loudoun again for 3 years. Any other district likely doesn’t care.
Yeah, good luck with getting recommendations.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 10:30
Subject: Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This will kill his career. It’s not worth it. Tell him to stick the year out.
Nope. It’s not 2019 anymore. His career will be just fine.
Yep, absolute worst case he won’t teach in Loudoun again for 3 years. Any other district likely doesn’t care.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 10:27
Subject: Re:Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your brother’s a selfish ass.
No, you, and the other entities parents, are asses. It’s a job. He isn’t a slave and he didn’t enlist in the military.
Not OP
Learn the difference between "can" and "should". One shouldn't make their own happiness the deciding factor in every decision they make.
You aren’t the arbiter of “should.” It’s a job. He’ll quit. Deal with it.
Then I still contend that he's a selfish ass. You haven't made the case he's not.
Would you say this to any other type of professional? No, you wouldn’t.
Teachers are in short supply because the job is nearly impossible now. My kid’s school has already lost 7 teachers mid-year. It’s unfortunate, but I understand. If we want teachers to stay, then let’s all work together to make conditions better.
PP here, and I agree. We need to make working conditions better for teachers. My sister is a teacher in Long Island, NY and she makes over $130,000/year with a generous pension. There is very little turnover.
I also think professionals should honor their contracts, with punitive results for not doing so.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 09:51
Subject: Re:Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your brother’s a selfish ass.
No, you, and the other entities parents, are asses. It’s a job. He isn’t a slave and he didn’t enlist in the military.
Not OP
Learn the difference between "can" and "should". One shouldn't make their own happiness the deciding factor in every decision they make.
You aren’t the arbiter of “should.” It’s a job. He’ll quit. Deal with it.
Then I still contend that he's a selfish ass. You haven't made the case he's not.
Would you say this to any other type of professional? No, you wouldn’t.
Teachers are in short supply because the job is nearly impossible now. My kid’s school has already lost 7 teachers mid-year. It’s unfortunate, but I understand. If we want teachers to stay, then let’s all work together to make conditions better.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 09:22
Subject: Re:Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your brother’s a selfish ass.
NP here.
No, he’s not. He shouldn’t have to stay somewhere he’s miserable. Teachers don’t have to give up their own happiness, and I get really tired of hearing that we do.
OP, I know many teachers who have left mid-year. I’ve lost three in my department this year alone. Every single one who wanted to teach somewhere else is currently teaching somewhere else. There’s such a shortage of teachers right now that the penalty for breaking contract is no longer an issue.
I hope he finds somewhere he is happy.
Because he made a commitment to teach a group of students. No one is asking him to stay for years on end. It’s just a few more months. If he leaves, there are students who are left picking up the check for his so-called happiness. I’ve been teaching for over 25 years. It’s really hard. I get it. I am not happy everyday and have worked for some horrendous principals. There’s no way I ever would have left my students hanging in the middle of the year. I’ve figured out what I need to do to leave and then made my move at the end of the year.
It is hard. I completely don't think folks should have to stay where they are miserable, but it can be also so hard on the kids. My son's 2nd grade teacher left in October. She just disappeared one day, there was never a goodbye to the kids. Again, I get it is a job and folks should be allowed to leave. But the kids had been through virtual K and then messed up 1st grade and then lost their teacher in 2nd and now they still only have a long term sub, who is wonderful but it just isn't the same. A lot of the kids (including mine) really struggled in the fall after she left (including them crying and asking if they were so bad that she wanted to leave them).
Again, she had a right to leave but I really wish she had been able to talk to them about leaving before she left. So I guess I just suggest your brother talk to his students and not just disappear one day. Teachers can mean a lot to kids and it can be hard for them to just be gone one day.
Administration doesn’t allow teachers leaving mid year to “talk to the kids ahead of time.”
So they never get to say goodbye? That is hard. I guess I don't know best practices on that.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 08:11
Subject: Re:Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your brother’s a selfish ass.
No, you, and the other entities parents, are asses. It’s a job. He isn’t a slave and he didn’t enlist in the military.
Not OP
Learn the difference between "can" and "should". One shouldn't make their own happiness the deciding factor in every decision they make.
You aren’t the arbiter of “should.” It’s a job. He’ll quit. Deal with it.
Then I still contend that he's a selfish ass. You haven't made the case he's not.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 08:09
Subject: Re:Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your brother’s a selfish ass.
No, you, and the other entities parents, are asses. It’s a job. He isn’t a slave and he didn’t enlist in the military.
Not OP
Learn the difference between "can" and "should". One shouldn't make their own happiness the deciding factor in every decision they make.
You aren’t the arbiter of “should.” It’s a job. He’ll quit. Deal with it.