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Oh. So all the posters above seeking an independent data source can just suck it now.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll preface this with I am still hopeful for automated driving features. As someone with young kids, I would love for driving to become increasing safer by the time they’re teens. But this ad is jarring. I’m not sure FSD should be available to the general public yet. The video of it running right past a stopped school bus and mowing over kids in the cross walk was scary to see.


https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-hits-child-sized-mannequins-stroller-super-bowl-attack-ad-2023-2

Saw this in the Super Bowl. Teslas are deadly. A number of people died last year in accidents from their automated driving system. Pretty much a crime scene waiting to happen.

Do people really just blindly believe biased marketing? Just like that?

From June 2021 to November 2022, 16 fatalities from a Tesla on autopilot. Not sure that's marketing as much as fact.

And there were approx 65,000 auto fatalities in the same time period.

I hate to break it to you, but all cars are deadly. We don't have adequate data on Tesla FSD to say how good or bad it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll preface this with I am still hopeful for automated driving features. As someone with young kids, I would love for driving to become increasing safer by the time they’re teens. But this ad is jarring. I’m not sure FSD should be available to the general public yet. The video of it running right past a stopped school bus and mowing over kids in the cross walk was scary to see.


https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-hits-child-sized-mannequins-stroller-super-bowl-attack-ad-2023-2

Saw this in the Super Bowl. Teslas are deadly. A number of people died last year in accidents from their automated driving system. Pretty much a crime scene waiting to happen.

Do people really just blindly believe biased marketing? Just like that?

From June 2021 to November 2022, 16 fatalities from a Tesla on autopilot. Not sure that's marketing as much as fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost every luxury brand now offers self-driving tech similar in capability to what was demonstrated in those ads and failed. I am sure if one did the same testing under the same conditions, you would end up with a similar video reel.

+1. But these other brands will tell you to stay engaged with your car at all times, unlike Musk who made it into a thing. (I have one of these other EVs.)

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll preface this with I am still hopeful for automated driving features. As someone with young kids, I would love for driving to become increasing safer by the time they’re teens. But this ad is jarring. I’m not sure FSD should be available to the general public yet. The video of it running right past a stopped school bus and mowing over kids in the cross walk was scary to see.


https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-hits-child-sized-mannequins-stroller-super-bowl-attack-ad-2023-2

Saw this in the Super Bowl. Teslas are deadly. A number of people died last year in accidents from their automated driving system. Pretty much a crime scene waiting to happen.

Do people really just blindly believe biased marketing? Just like that?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll preface this with I am still hopeful for automated driving features. As someone with young kids, I would love for driving to become increasing safer by the time they’re teens. But this ad is jarring. I’m not sure FSD should be available to the general public yet. The video of it running right past a stopped school bus and mowing over kids in the cross walk was scary to see.


https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-hits-child-sized-mannequins-stroller-super-bowl-attack-ad-2023-2

Saw this in the Super Bowl. Teslas are deadly. A number of people died last year in accidents from their automated driving system. Pretty much a crime scene waiting to happen.

Anonymous wrote:I’ll preface this with I am still hopeful for automated driving features. As someone with young kids, I would love for driving to become increasing safer by the time they’re teens. But this ad is jarring. I’m not sure FSD should be available to the general public yet. The video of it running right past a stopped school bus and mowing over kids in the cross walk was scary to see.


https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-hits-child-sized-mannequins-stroller-super-bowl-attack-ad-2023-2

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Anonymous wrote:Is any of it legit? What are the sources?

DAWN project isn't fly by night.

Testing has been done by others as well all showing the same.

Last month, a Tesla engineer testified that a 2016 demo in which the company claimed its car was driving itself was actually staged. Under oath in a court of law.

Still waiting on the links for this.

DP. The problem with what you are asking for is that no one but Tesla has the ability to do the kind of larger-scale controlled testing you seem to be looking for. That would take multiple test models of Teslas equipped with activated FSD, which would be prohibitively expensive. The best outside groups can do is collect real-world incident data (which is limited because there just aren’t that many on the road) to derive and extrapolate the results. Tesla is in the best position to demonstrate the safety of its FSD, but they won’t publicly release it and even they don’t claim their FSD is safe for use without constant driver engagement. This is why Tesla had been accused by many as using its customers as crash test dummies.

In absence of that kind of large-scale testing, we have to rely on anecdotes like this to assess the safety of Tesla’s FSD:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/12/21/test-driving-gm-ford-and-tesla-hands-free-systems.html

So the PPs were lying about “testing by others”?

No, the testing is just limited to more individual instances rather than testing in a scale that can give a statistically significant measure of various types of error rates. Since that testing can’t be done by anyone but Tesla, the rest of us have to rely on video and other evidence of problematic incidents like the FSD not stopping for school busses and strollers.

Anonymous wrote:Almost every luxury brand now offers self-driving tech similar in capability to what was demonstrated in those ads and failed. I am sure if one did the same testing under the same conditions, you would end up with a similar video reel.

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Anonymous wrote:Is any of it legit? What are the sources?

DAWN project isn't fly by night.

Testing has been done by others as well all showing the same.

Last month, a Tesla engineer testified that a 2016 demo in which the company claimed its car was driving itself was actually staged. Under oath in a court of law.

Still waiting on the links for this.

DP. The problem with what you are asking for is that no one but Tesla has the ability to do the kind of larger-scale controlled testing you seem to be looking for. That would take multiple test models of Teslas equipped with activated FSD, which would be prohibitively expensive. The best outside groups can do is collect real-world incident data (which is limited because there just aren’t that many on the road) to derive and extrapolate the results. Tesla is in the best position to demonstrate the safety of its FSD, but they won’t publicly release it and even they don’t claim their FSD is safe for use without constant driver engagement. This is why Tesla had been accused by many as using its customers as crash test dummies.

In absence of that kind of large-scale testing, we have to rely on anecdotes like this to assess the safety of Tesla’s FSD:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/12/21/test-driving-gm-ford-and-tesla-hands-free-systems.html

So the PPs were lying about “testing by others”?

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Anonymous wrote:Is any of it legit? What are the sources?

The Dawn Project did the testing. The article says Business Insider reviewed driver’s view footage of the incidents to confirm that FSD was engaged at the time of the collisions.

I'm sure that wasn't biased at all.

Any independent testing?

The big concern by the billionaire behind the Dawn project is the prospect of cars being hacked and used as weapons by terrorists or foreign agents.

I don't know whether it's a valid concern, but it is a valid question.

My guess is self-driving cars don't really become a thing until quantum computing is firmly entrenched.

So another reason why he’s biased.

No one has come up with links to independent testing? Stop pushing BS you can’t back up.

Biased doesn't make him wrong. I have no skin in this game, I just find your knee-jerk reaction to this to be rather suspect. I have no idea whether there is independent testing, but I don't respond to sealion trolls.

A few posters have claimed there are studies that show how dangerous Tesla FSD is.

Put up or shut up.

- would never use FSD but I hate people lying on the interwebs