Anonymous
02/07/2023 13:14
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:AI has issues with general things. It's been 15 years since the last spewing of AI taking over coding from humans.
Actually if anything AI helps programers from making stupid mistakes but that's it at least for now.
So plenty of CS jobs around.
You clearly haven't been following the latest AI developments. But I agree that for the next few years, CS jobs are safe. Which poses a problem for the kids in undergrad CS right now.
Have you? writing based humanity majors seem to be in great danger on top of already mediocre job prospects
ChatGPT can write very well.
Different person here. Only someone who does not write well would say the ChatGPT writes “very well.” It’s formulaic garbage. I grant you that it will get better, but it’s not replacing a good writer right now.
Who do you think the 'expert human writer' writes for? The same masses that are more than happy with the 'garbage' GPT puts out. The only thing I care about when reading content is that it is clear and communicates well. The only time I look for an esoteric level of writing is when reading novels or thought provoking literature. Do you think GPT 4 or 40 won't be able to get past (or even surpass) that boundary? Even more creative domains (more than writing) - art, music, etc - are easy target for GPT and will soon get decimated without legal protection.
Don't you think people studying in all of those domains need to take care of their futures before CS kids are affected?
Anonymous
02/07/2023 13:13
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
Anonymous wrote:
Some of these kids are going to have a rude awakening in the job market in a few years. Only the very best will have the coveted jobs, and the rest will be cannibalized by AI.
The problem with this logic, is that one can extend AI to dozens of fields:
- AI could displace many junior accountants doing company audits...only the "creative" accountants will remain such as the ones creating tax shelters
- AI could displace many paralegal and junior law jobs
- AI could easily displace many creative jobs in advertising (writing copy as an example) or writing scripts for plays, television, movies...AI actually performs very well on creative writing assignments when those pesky facts don't get in the way
The list is extensive and you could keep going...not sure where people think they will hide from a career standpoint.
Anonymous
02/07/2023 13:06
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
Anonymous wrote:So… seems like every other child applying to college wants to major in computer science. If you have one of these kids, what are their specific reasons for wanting this major? Are all of these kids engaging in computer science activities currently or are they thinking that they will just try it out as a major and see what happens? It seems like the biology major equivalent for all of the premed students.
Yes, it is the equivalent of the Premed students in theory, but some kids can't cut it in Premed, so their parents (the ones who wanted Premed for their kids) are making those kids major in CS, because they think that will make their kid rich. It won't.
Anonymous
02/07/2023 13:04
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
Anonymous wrote:Everyone I know just wants to make alot of money when they graduate. Short sighted in my view because A. AI and B. the entry level salaries may be high but not alot of upward mobility from there. C. Boring as hell.
A. AI will destroy every other industry before CS, except for personal care industry like massages, etc.
B. There's as much upward mobility in CS as in any other job. Climbing up requires leading/managing people and there's fewer level positions higher up.
C. Not anymore than any other job.
Anonymous
02/07/2023 12:50
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Some of these kids are going to have a rude awakening in the job market in a few years. Only the very best will have the coveted jobs, and the rest will be cannibalized by AI.
AI is very good in writing
Artificial Intelligence will write the code for other programs. Hence no more humans needed, except the ones programming the AI, and those need to be exceptionally intelligent. We're on the cusp of a revolution and those CS majors will have to be flexible and adaptable.
Why do you associate CS degrees with coding?
AI and Machine Learning created more opportunities for Automating many manual processes. So it will increase the need for more Computer Science professionals, not less. I myself work on AI and ML for Automation.
Short-hand. It's not just coding, but management and operations as well. The entire chain will be revamped and need less humans.
Anonymous
02/07/2023 12:46
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Some of these kids are going to have a rude awakening in the job market in a few years. Only the very best will have the coveted jobs, and the rest will be cannibalized by AI.
AI is very good in writing
Artificial Intelligence will write the code for other programs. Hence no more humans needed, except the ones programming the AI, and those need to be exceptionally intelligent. We're on the cusp of a revolution and those CS majors will have to be flexible and adaptable.
Machine Learning and AI applications like ChatGPT and GoogleBARD only laid the foundation for more CS experts. Now CS students/experts start developing further more applications. After ChatGPT and GoogleBARD, we need MORE CS experts not less.
Anonymous
02/07/2023 12:44
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Some of these kids are going to have a rude awakening in the job market in a few years. Only the very best will have the coveted jobs, and the rest will be cannibalized by AI.
AI is very good in writing
Artificial Intelligence will write the code for other programs. Hence no more humans needed, except the ones programming the AI, and those need to be exceptionally intelligent. We're on the cusp of a revolution and those CS majors will have to be flexible and adaptable.
Why do you associate CS degrees with coding?
Short-hand. It's not just coding, but management and operations as well. The entire chain will be revamped and need less humans.
Maybe you are short sighted? It isn’t just CS jobs that will require fewer humans - it’s every job
Anonymous
02/07/2023 12:35
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
Anonymous wrote:
Some of these kids are going to have a rude awakening in the job market in a few years. Only the very best will have the coveted jobs, and the rest will be cannibalized by AI.
Sorry, it is incorrect. I have been in Software Development since last 30 years, and when I started, I was nervous because I was thinking it may last only 5 or 10 years.
It became stronger by day and here we are today. There are so many disruptive technologies like Java, Big Data, Cloud in the Industry for the last 30 years and today the new kid in the street is AI and Machine Learning.
Point is we are just in the beginning of Computers and Technology age, not in the tail end.
Reason My DC want to pursue CS is, DC has been in Cyber Security since 7th grade (Cyber Patriot program is offered by US Airforce Associates) and developed interest in the CS area.
Don't forget that US depends on China and India for software developers since US doe not have enough CS resources/experts.
Also Technology and IT is not going anywhere and it is here to stay for long time to come
Anonymous
02/07/2023 11:52
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
My kiddo self taught himself Javascript in 3rd grade over summer from Khan. He follows all the latest tech announcements and is deeply interested in cloud, preparing for USACO etc in his freshman year. We both are Asians (engineers) started with CS and I went on to do my MBA and move into Strategy & planning and hubby went on to tech marketing. We both encouraged him to look at other fields such as economics and law, but he was firm in his career choice since he was 7-8.
I believe no one knows what exactly future job market would look like.
But I do know that CS knowledge will always be valuable whether you are analyzing large data sets for COVID resurgence in healthcare or as an economist predicting bond rates and recession. I almost think CS as building blocks of modern human civilization and has applicability and intersection in all fields. very much like learning Math and Language Arts
I believe no one knows what exactly future job market would look like.
But I do know that CS knowledge will always be valuable whether you are analyzing large data sets for COVID resurgence in healthcare or as an economist predicting bond rates and recession. I almost think CS as building blocks of modern human civilization and has applicability and intersection in all fields. very much like learning Math and Language Arts
Anonymous
02/07/2023 11:02
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:AI has issues with general things. It's been 15 years since the last spewing of AI taking over coding from humans.
Actually if anything AI helps programers from making stupid mistakes but that's it at least for now.
So plenty of CS jobs around.
You clearly haven't been following the latest AI developments. But I agree that for the next few years, CS jobs are safe. Which poses a problem for the kids in undergrad CS right now.
Have you? writing based humanity majors seem to be in great danger on top of already mediocre job prospects
ChatGPT can write very well.
Different person here. Only someone who does not write well would say the ChatGPT writes “very well.” It’s formulaic garbage. I grant you that it will get better, but it’s not replacing a good writer right now.
+1
Anonymous
02/07/2023 11:02
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:AI has issues with general things. It's been 15 years since the last spewing of AI taking over coding from humans.
Actually if anything AI helps programers from making stupid mistakes but that's it at least for now.
So plenty of CS jobs around.
You clearly haven't been following the latest AI developments. But I agree that for the next few years, CS jobs are safe. Which poses a problem for the kids in undergrad CS right now.
Have you? writing based humanity majors seem to be in great danger on top of already mediocre job prospects
ChatGPT can write very well.
Different person here. Only someone who does not write well would say the ChatGPT writes “very well.” It’s formulaic garbage. I grant you that it will get better, but it’s not replacing a good writer right now.
The average person may say ChatGPT writes very well because the average person does not write very well. So I guess it may help those people in some way.
Anonymous
02/07/2023 10:59
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:AI has issues with general things. It's been 15 years since the last spewing of AI taking over coding from humans.
Actually if anything AI helps programers from making stupid mistakes but that's it at least for now.
So plenty of CS jobs around.
You clearly haven't been following the latest AI developments. But I agree that for the next few years, CS jobs are safe. Which poses a problem for the kids in undergrad CS right now.
Have you? writing based humanity majors seem to be in great danger on top of already mediocre job prospects
ChatGPT can write very well.
Different person here. Only someone who does not write well would say the ChatGPT writes “very well.” It’s formulaic garbage. I grant you that it will get better, but it’s not replacing a good writer right now.
Anonymous
02/07/2023 10:46
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:AI has issues with general things. It's been 15 years since the last spewing of AI taking over coding from humans.
Actually if anything AI helps programers from making stupid mistakes but that's it at least for now.
So plenty of CS jobs around.
You clearly haven't been following the latest AI developments. But I agree that for the next few years, CS jobs are safe. Which poses a problem for the kids in undergrad CS right now.
Have you? writing based humanity majors seem to be in great danger on top of already mediocre job prospects
ChatGPT can write very well.
Anonymous
02/07/2023 10:35
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
Anonymous wrote:In 8th grade, my kid decided he wanted CS because he wanted to create video games. So he attended a few video game / coding camps where they made apps and coded Lego mindstorms. We insisted that he take a Java class in high school to make sure he liked coding (mainly because he wanted to focus on CS curriculums for college applications).
He is now in his last year of a dual CS/Math degree (he graduates in Dec 2023). Ironically, his math classes were easier than the CS theory classes, although he "gets it". He prefers the programming aspects though, and his internships focused on that -- although to pass the interviews he had to know the theory.
To be good and like CS you have to have a different way of thinking and solving problems. I don't know if it's the discipline that creates a way of thinking, or if people whose minds work a specific way excel at a particular field. I think a lawyer, economist, CS major, and scientist could all be presented with the same problem and solve them a different way.
My son had an internship this past summer and he will return this coming summer. He loves that at his internship (and future job - hopefully) his colleagues were able to work at their own pace and hours. He also loves that CS skills are in demand and they work around a lot of other smart people. He loves to learn, and with CS it requires continuous learning. He is a tech-head and is interested in everything going on with the technological advances. My son realizes that he doesn't like to work and his job is "fun" and something that he would be doing anyway on the side even if he had another job.
Nobody likes to "work", and everyone wants to have "fun" at work. But alas, most of us don't get to do that.
DS is a cs major, already accepted into college for CS. Has been taking CS classes since 9th grade, and summer camps doing coding since ES. Likes to think outside the box and wants to work on interesting projects. Whether or not they actually get to work on interesting projects at work remains to be seen.
Most jobs are mundane. Very few jobs involve interesting projects. I've worked in the tech field for 20 years. I start out working on the mundane, then worked my way up to working on interesting projects. I have found that not everyone is cut out to work on projects. Some people are suited to mundane support tasks, and those are the jobs that are outsourced or taken over by AI.
If you want to go into CS, you need to bring some creativity, thinking outside the box to survive in this field.
Anonymous
02/07/2023 10:32
Subject: Why does your kid want CS?
CS jobs are not in danger. People think CS is mostly about coding. It's not.